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Quote: from S M E G M A on 9:43 am on Aug. 30, 2006
- Wrong. There will be normal taxis. Expensive limousines will be the privilege of those who can afford them. If you cannot get a taxi and cannot affford a limo, you can always walk (good for saving money and good cardiovascular exercise).
- 40%. Yes. Sounds like a lot percentage wise. But it is about US$ 5. If this greatly affects your travelling budget, better stay home and go to the local shopping mall.
- Probably? Yes, probably yes; probably not. I guess we will have to wait for some statistical post-fact study (post-fact so that we do not speculate about what is probable and what not).
- Increase on the plane tickets too... Is that a question? Or a statement? Again, if price increase is too much for you, maybe time to start a letter writing campaign. Good luck.
I think madfrog is referring to reports that taxis will not be available at the terminal - you will need to get a shuttle bus to the bus station and get a taxi from there. Brilliant planning. Those of us who are knackered after a trip will eitehr have to queue for a bus to get a taxi, or get a limo.
The referral to higher tickets is based on the fact that airlines will be charged higher prices to use the airport - and unless they have applied for charitable status, they will inevitably pass this on to their dear passengers.
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Posted on: 9:13 pm on Aug. 29, 2006
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Wednesday 30 August 2006 :-
Switching airports goes beyond logistics
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September 28 is an important date for Thailand in that the new Suvarnabhumi airport will be officially opened _ and it's only four weeks away. However, from a supply chain and logistics point of view, activities have been going on already for a considerable time.
A recent article in the Bangkok Post by Travel Monitor columnist Imtiaz Muqbil highlighted that as the opening date nears, Thai Airways International and others were finalising preparations for one of the largest logistical operations in global aviation history, moving millions of tonnes of aircraft and equipment from Don Muang to Suvarnabhumi within roughly 12 hours.
Imitiaz noted that five business units, including catering, cargo and operations, must be relocated. At stake are thousands of tools, spare parts, engines, cargo containers, pallets, loading/unloading equipment, kitchenware, cranes, forklifts, cabin items, IT hardware, aircraft-moving vehicles, and more.
The majority of the equipment will have to be moved between the time Don Muang shuts down after the last commercial flight lands/takes off and six hours later when the new airport opens the following morning.
However, in addition to what will be moved from Don Muang, a staggering investment has been made in the form of new infrastructure, transport and equipment that is already being utilised in pre-operating trials and training.
Multiple supply chains have already been activated to support construction activities, fit-out of new buildings to support cargo, passengers catering, security, life safety, sanitation and maintenance activities.
Communications equipment has been installed for airport authorities, ground handling agencies and mobile telephone networks, including additional ADSL lines for back-office systems.
Building and works are currently being finalised to accommodate new offices for airlines, warehousing for freight forwarders and installation of high-tech sorting equipment for express operators.
Systems and applications are being commissioned to allow airline flight information to be received, including critical information on incoming aircraft arrival times, aircraft types, passenger details, cargo information and special handling requirements. This is matched with information from Air Traffic Control to provide actual landing times, passenger gate and baggage belt allocation.
Providing accurate and up-to-date information is vital to allow ground handling organisations to receive and unload aircraft with the correct support equipment. Automated baggage handling systems then ensure that passengers can pick up their bags at the designated belt after clearing immigration.
In addition to the computer technology to support air traffic control and flight information, Suvarnabhumi is deploying a state-of-the-art automated customs clearance system that will be activated in stages to allow rapid clearance of goods from its internal free zone. This system will reduce the paperwork and improve the process and information flows among multiple logistics organisations.
In addition to staff relocating from the old airport, operators have to recruit and train new staff who have not previously worked in the industry. Some organisations have attracted highly experienced staff with extensive overseas management experience in starting up new airports.
Training covers the full range of logistics and customer activities from passenger check-in to customs processes, clerical support, baggage operations, security, fire and safety, cargo handling, forklift operations and ramp activities for loading and unloading aircraft.
A critical component in any activation of a major supply chain is the development of a test and execution of an acceptance plan. The need to undertake effective testing is often misunderstood, too limited in scope or bypassed.
Testing involves more than landing a few aircraft, which can be undertaken in isolation to the systems and infrastructure of an airport.
Acceptance testing needs to involve all key stakeholders and their processes to ensure that each system can function on its own and with others. Testing needs to simulate the complete cycle from incoming flight information to clearance of passengers and cargo with the successful turnaround of the aircraft to its next destination.
The new airport project is utilising a team of highly experienced consultants to co-ordinate the operational readiness of infrastructure, systems and people. However each organisation is also undertaking testing of its own internal systems and processes to ensure that the primary and contingency systems can operate effectively and safely.
In summary, moving equipment and aircraft form one airport to another will be a major logistical issue. There is a significant impact on airport staff, for many of whom a move will require finding new homes, schools and adjusting to an entirely new environment.
Of course, the major impact will be the customers of the airport - the airlines and passengers who will have to adjust to a new location and a vastly different infrastructure and operating environment.
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Posted on: 10:04 pm on Aug. 29, 2006
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Wednesday 30 August 2006 :-
Too costly for a hub
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A cost comparison report marked ''Confidential'' and obtained by this writer clearly shows Bangkok is more expensive for an airline to operate a flight, than through arch rival airports in Southeast Asia. Contrary to Thai transport authorities' claims, the report revealed that the overall charges incurred to a flight at Bangkok were higher than the normal rates applied at Singapore's Changi Airport and Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA). The gap was even wider when the discounts currently rendered by the latter two competing airports are taken into account. It showed that the so-called airport turnaround costs, including landing/parking, navigation, immigration and custom overtime, baggage and security charges, at Bangkok International Airport and soon Suvarnabhumi Airport, are 57,315 baht for a A300-600 jet.
That compares with 57,130 baht at Changi before a 15% discount (applicable to 2008) which brings down the cost to 51,532 baht. The costs are marked lower at KLIA, at 23,904 baht for normal rates and 14,549 baht during the current ''promotion'' period.
For a B747-400 jumbo jet, Bangkok's rate is 105,867 baht, slightly over 105,768 baht, the discounted rate at Changi. KLIA is much cheaper at 54,643 baht for the same type of aircraft and as little as 24,627 baht in the promotional period.
The overall cost at Bangkok will inflate to 61,075 baht for A300-600 and 113,892 baht for B747-400 in April next year, when the 15% rise in landing and parking fee, which was delayed by six months, comes into effect. The charge comparison underlines the fact that Bangkok may be losing its edge against Changi and KLIA in terms of costs to attract airlines, which are trying to cut costs in every possible way to stay aloft.
While fuel accounts for roughly one-third of total airline operating costs, the airport turnaround cost constitutes as much as 10% of the total.
An airline will operate at an airport only if it is commercially viable and this will be determined partly by the cost effectiveness of such an airport. A competitive airport charge structure is crucial to maintaining Bangkok as a major air hub in Southeast Asia.
The importance of competitive charges will also determine the success of Suvarnabhumi, due to open on Sept 28, and its ability to meet financial commitments incurred from the 125-billion-baht development costs.
Thailand should not rest on its laurels as a major tourism destination in this region by making its gateway more expensive for carriers to fly in tourists. Airlines play a key role in promoting in-bound tourism and many other countries are prepared to go to any lengths to encourage carriers to make their countries a port of call by reducing or even waiving airport charges as part of the tourism promotion strategy.
With the expected arrival of 13.8 million foreign visitors this year, in-bound tourism should contribute 547.5 billion baht to the Thai economy.
The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) hopes to increase foreign arrivals to 15 million next year, generating revenues of 547.5 billion baht for the country.
Part of the problem with Thailand's high overall airport costs is that certain charges, such as overtime payment for immigration officials at the airport, are collected from airlines, a practice not seen anywhere else in the world. Aviation experts say that immigration, like security, is a state responsibility and such costs should be borne by the government.
In particular, all the government agencies, including Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT) and TAT, should put their heads together to work out a transparent and competitive structure, rather than just minding their separate interests. Perhaps Thai authorities should study Changi or KLIA, whose airport authorities have control over all airport charges.
Meanwhile, AoT should also look more keenly at ways to improve productivity, to lower operating costs; for instance, by boosting revenue through commercial sources, such as airport shops. Some of the successful airports in this region earn as much as 60% of their revenue from commercial sources.
Finally, it is advisable that AoT undertake meaningful and effective consultations with airlines to work out a long-term charges structure that will make Bangkok cost efficient, and provide financial certainty for both airlines and the airport.
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Posted on: 10:11 pm on Aug. 29, 2006
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ColoradoGuy
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Here is a link to a discussion fourm with many threads about Nong Ngu Hao Airport - some people call it Suvarnabhumi. 
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showforum=105
It includes threads of travel logistics for the move, Air Asia flying all their flights from the new airport on Sept 25, transportation details and much much more. Take a look.
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Posted on: 8:38 am on Aug. 30, 2006
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BigDUSA
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What a traffic nightmare it will be when they move all that equipment.
I made damn sure I was not going to be among the first to use the new airport.
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Posted on: 10:22 am on Aug. 30, 2006
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madfrog
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- Wrong. There will be normal taxis. Expensive limousines will be the privilege of those who can afford them. If you cannot get a taxi and cannot affford a limo, you can always walk (good for saving money and good cardiovascular exercise). >>>As janitor pointed I was referring to the fact that there would be NO taxi avalable from terminal, just "limousine"
- 40%. Yes. Sounds like a lot percentage wise. But it is about US$ 5. If this greatly affects your travelling budget, better stay home and go to the local shopping mall. >>> Oh, yes, its "only" 5 dollars so no problem at all.It is still a 40% increase in taxes with NO better service provided, just more hassles.
- Probably? Yes, probably yes; probably not. I guess we will have to wait for some statistical post-fact study (post-fact so that we do not speculate about what is probable and what not). >>>You are right, "maybe not"...knowing Thai-style organisation I still bet on a nightmare.
- Increase on the plane tickets too... Is that a question? Or a statement? Again, if price increase is too much for you, maybe time to start a letter writing campaign. Good luck.>>>Why do you have to make all this personal and tell me again and again that if I dont have enought cash I can stay home?
You are happy to pay more for the same service or worst service? Maybe you are rich but you are also plain stupid.
Can you please at least allow me to express my feelings about all this in this forum? Unless of course it is asking too much from you?
Madfrog
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Posted on: 10:50 am on Aug. 30, 2006
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PussyLover 69
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Report from The Nation dated Thursday 31 August 2006 :-
All airlines prepared for the big move - Some budget carriers may switch early
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All local and international airlines have announced they are ready to relocate to the new Suvarnabhumi Airport on the official opening date of September 28, while three budget carriers - keen to avoid road congestion caused by the transfer of equipment - have opted to move their fleets up to three days ahead of schedule.
In a meeting held by airline operators yesterday to discuss their readiness to make the move, Air France said it would be ready to divert its aircraft to Suvarnabhumi on September 28.
Contrary to a recent report, no airline has to date said it plans to shift flights to other countries in the region.
All major airlines, including Thai Airways International (THAI), Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Qantas and other international carriers, told the panel they had no problem with the opening date of the new airport.
The government has said all flights must move to the new airport on September 28, when the existing Don Muang Airport will close to commercial traffic.
In a bid to woo airlines to Suvarnabhumi, Airports of Thailand Plc (AOT) has postponed its plan to increase service fees by six months until April 2007. The fees includes a landing and parking fee and passenger airport tax.
Tassapon Bijleveld, chief executive of Thai AirAsia, said all its flights would move to the new airport on September 25, three days ahead of the official opening. The final 10 flights, both domestic and international, on September 24 will also fly to the new airport.
"Even though our facilities there, including the office at the new airport, are not complete we are confident everything will be ready in time," Tassapon said.
"The early move is an attempt to avoid traffic congestion at the new airport the night before the opening date," he said.
The airline has already informed passengers about the move. Ticket prices will not be increased, as the costs are the same now that the airport authorities have agreed to delay the landing-fee hike.
Thai AirAsia, a joint venture between Shin Corp and Malaysia's AirAsia, said its 70 daily flights would shift from Don Muang to Suvarnabhumi on September 25.
One Two Go, the low-cost unit of Orient Thai, said it would transfer all its flights to the new airport on September 26, two days before the opening date.
One of the company's officers said the firm was keen to have a two-day head start to learn more about the airport.
Nok Air, another budget carrier and THAI's sister airline, confirmed it would transfer all its flights to Suvarnabhumi Airport on September 27, one day ahead of the official opening.
THAI's own local flights will be using the new airport from September 15, as required by the government.
Jetstar Asia will be the first foreign airline to use Suvarnabhumi Airport, flying from Singapore three times a day - also from September 15.
The new airport, which can serve up to 45 million passengers per year, will relieve congestion at the overstretched Don Muang, which is currently handling about two million passengers above its capacity.
The government hopes Suvarnabhumi will help Thailand compete against rival airports in Malaysia and Singapore to become the region's most important aviation hub.
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Posted on: 1:16 am on Aug. 31, 2006
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Baskoy
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Quote: from ColoradoGuy on 9:47 pm on Aug. 30, 2006
Here is a link to a discussion fourm with many threads about Nong Ngu Hao Airport - some people call it Suvarnabhumi
The reason being, that is it's name.
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Posted on: 3:44 am on Aug. 31, 2006
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Tyfon
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Quote: from PussyLover 69 on 2:24 pm on Aug. 31, 2006
"Even though our facilities there, including the office at the new airport, are not complete we are confident everything will be ready in time," Tassapon said.
So long as the runway is fiinished on time...
(Er... has anyone checked this?)
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Posted on: 6:54 am on Aug. 31, 2006
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