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ringthebells
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Posted on: 9:11 am on April 17, 2010
Mr Alan

Quote: from visitingbkk on 8:01 am on April 17, 2010
I know I am wasting my time here Mr.A but... the laws to disband the party and bar the top officials for 5 years, was just that... a law. It was in place before the election of the renamed TRT. The courts, and anyone with half a brain, could see and read the evidence of the illegal activities. This is what toppled the TRT/PPP government.

All 100% BS. The same BS that forced the most current PM to resign after a court ruled against him. These political legal rulings are only handed down after widespread protests, in order to appease the protesters and disband them. But once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it is very hard to get it back in again.


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Posted on: 10:22 am on April 17, 2010
visitingbkk

Quote: from expatchuck on 8:29 pm on April 17, 2010
Playing the devil's advocate here though, are you also saying the yellow shirt movement was not a populous ground swell either?
It is my impression after hundreds of hours at both red and yellow rallies, there is a thread of genuine, indigenous support for the lofty goals spewed by both sides leaving the zealotry aside. This idealism is drowned out by the lunacy we are witnessing now and will continue to undermine the country long into the future.

I know many shop keepers in CM and CR that were approached and offered cash to close shop, pull on a red shirt and go to BKK. Not saying it never happened but I never met a Yellow that said they were paid cash outright. I would guess there was, but I never saw nor did anyone speak it.

The lack of willingness to work together is epitomized by comments posts here by some that it is either my way or no way.... That helps no one, esp when it comes from either self interest or pure and simple no f-ing clue.


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Posted on: 1:29 pm on April 17, 2010
juniper

Quote: from visitingbkk on 3:01 pm on April 17, 2010
the laws to disband the party and bar the top officials for 5 years, was just that... a law. It was in place before the election of the renamed TRT.



That law was "Announcement by the Council for Democratic Reform No. 27" which was enacted on 21 September,2006. After the military coup and retroactively enforced by the Constitutional Tribunal to bar the top official for 5 years.


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Posted on: 1:31 pm on April 17, 2010
visitingbkk

Quote: from juniper on 1:31 am on April 18, 2010
That law was "Announcement by the Council for Democratic Reform No. 27"


Thanks.. I thought it was part of the constitutional rewrite. Current political conditions aside, while some may think it's excessive, given the depth of corruption it seems like a good law to have.


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Posted on: 6:10 pm on April 17, 2010
expatchuck

Quote: from visitingbkk on 1:29 am on April 18, 2010
I know many shop keepers in CM and CR that were approached and offered cash to close shop, pull on a red shirt and go to BKK. Not saying it never happened but I never met a Yellow that said they were paid cash outright. I would guess there was, but I never saw nor did anyone speak it.



I recall the issue of paying the yellow shirts being spoken about quite openly. Perhaps we simply have different circles.

It's all a matter of perspective. Here is an old article from a New Zealand newspaper that calls the yellow shirt takeover of the international airport a yellow shirted "mob". It is not complimentary of the yellow shirt brigade.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0811/S00375.htm

The Kiwis have always been a little bit hysterical though.


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Posted on: 9:13 pm on April 17, 2010
Mr Alan
There is nothing illegal in the USA about paying people's expenses, or reimbursing them for lost revenue if they go to a political demonstration. This is protected under the First Amendment free speech clause of the US Constitution and has been upheld many times by the US Supreme Court. I don't know what the Thai law is in these cases, because such laws seem to change monthly depending on what coup needs to be legitimized in the courts.

The bottom line is this: either there will be democracy in Thailand, whereby the opposition party respects the legitimacy of a elected government, or there will be chaos. There is no other. Outlawing the opposition party is not conducive to a democratic system.

The yellow-shirts threw down the gauntlet a few years ago with their coup, and now the opposition is doing the same. What goes around, comes around.


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Posted on: 9:47 pm on April 17, 2010
atl
Quoting mrs atl, "things will always be same same in Thailand!"

If true, we will probably have a similiar thread going on here when I retire, to LOS, in 25 years or so

atl


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Posted on: 10:29 pm on April 17, 2010
tezza

Quote: from atl on 10:29 am on April 18, 2010
If true, we will probably have a similiar thread going on here when I retire, to LOS, in 25 years or so

Hmmm, looking at your picture in your avatar that means you are looking to retire at age 105 ??


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Posted on: 6:26 am on April 18, 2010
bkkz
Here's a conversation between a journalist and a taxi driver:


Last Saturday, I had an interesting conversation with a lady taxi driver on the way from Lat Phrao to downtown.

Me: Sister, where are you from?

Her: Isan.

Me: Sister, what do you think of all this supposed class struggle business?

Her: Struggle for what? None of this will end up changing the lives of the poor. What do the common, everyday people know about class struggle? Nothing.

Me: Well sister, Thaksin did give the poor one million baht per village. Perhaps he's a friend of the poor?

Her: And everyone went out to buy cell phones, TVs and gamble the rest away. How did that alleviate the standard of living of the poor? He didn't even give his own money. He used the people's money to give to the people. And they loved him for it. All they know is, Thaksin gives us money, Abhisit doesn't - and that's that. That's why Abhisit has been trying to give handouts to so many people since he became prime minister.

Me: If there's a general election, sister, do you think the Puea Thai party will win? Who will the Isan people vote for?

Her: I don't know who will win, but the people will vote for whoever the nai (bosses or masters in the provinces) tell them to.

Me: But wait a second sister, if this is a class struggle, why would the people vote blindly as the nai commands? Shouldn't they be struggling against the nai? Shouldn't they protest against the nai in their provinces?

Her: You think people want to get killed? Besides, it's the nai who brought them to Bangkok to protest.

That's pretty much the status quo of feudal Thailand. The amataya (the nobility, or old establishment) get all the headlines, but it's the nai who are instrumental in sustaining the feudal status quo. So whether it's the amataya or the nai who end up lording it over this Kingdom, the ''double standards'' in this country will remain. Not double standards of the law, mind you. The law is only words on paper, but it's the interpretation and execution of the law which is reflective of society's attitude, the attitude that has shaped modern Thailand.

This has always been a nation divided. Stand on the balcony of your high-rise condominium and look at the slum down below. Look out the tinted window of your luxurious European car and see poverty in the streets. What's more, to privileged Bangkokians, most of the rest of Thailand even speak in a dialect they can hardly understand _ it's a nation divided.

They look different. They act different. They talk different.

Of course, there's always the rich and the poor in any society, especially one that follows the capitalist democracy model, however well or however poorly. But it's the culture of kowtowing, the nai and the prai (peasants) and the grossly disproportionate income distribution that make the ''double standards'' of Thailand unacceptable, at least to someone like me who is in search of the elusive ideal of ''equality''. Back to the conversation with the taxi driver.

Me: Sister, what do you think will change the lives of the poor for the better?

Her: Education. Everybody knows that. Talk to everyone and they'll say it's the education. Even dumb people know that.

Me: Well then sister, didn't Thaksin give the rural schools free computers?

Her: Many of the schools didn't even have electricity, and he gave us computers? The kids don't even have proper books, clothes. But Abhisit gave us free education.

Me: But sister, free or not, it's the same education we have been getting since forever. How would that change anything?

Her: I don't know. Do you? Does anyone?

There is no perfect solution in the real world. Perhaps we should come to terms with the past and focus, good or bad, on the future with this question: Between Thaksin Shinawatra and the new elites _ and Abhisit Vejjajiva and the old elites _ which camp do we believe can best lead Thailand into the future, struggling and bumbling along the way as we will surely be? Which camp is our best bet?

Or perhaps a third-party prime minister will be appointed? After all, the phones are still buzzing in the backrooms.

But at the end of the day, the most interesting question is: How can we take the decision and direction of this country out of the backrooms and into the open in the democratic process? That can't be answered unless we first learn how to bridge the gap between the two Thailands.


Source: BangkokPost
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/36233/ladies-and-gents-place-your-bets


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Posted on: 6:49 am on April 18, 2010
     

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