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MrJoe
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I just remembered what thread you are talking about. It is unbelievably immature to go back to something months ago and say that is the cause for me disagreeing with you. Why would I wait until now? All the things I've typed on this thread I just made up because we differed about music? That's a really pathetic arguement.
BTW Go back to that thread and look at it. Show me why I would be pissed. Since then, have we not agreed on some things? But you think that I am angry about that thread all this time?
Weak. And quite funny actually.
I do not abuse people on this forum. On 2 rare occcasions I used harsh language with someone who cursed me. One of those people apologised. You have no reason to accuse me of that kind of behavior.
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Posted on: 9:41 am on Nov. 30, 2002
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JIMMY D
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Joe,
In my first post i was having a go at the muslim immigrants.
My points all relate to the original post ,and to noknas as to do with muslim terror,that, in the big picture of things is what we are debating here.
The Santa thing is to do with the muslim community getting 'upset'and 'offended'at christmas this year.
Agression, as in 'what the f_ck'am i talking about.
Call me what you want but i personally do not want to live anywhere near or have anything to do with Islam.
I got fed up with the liberalism in the U.K. seeing my tax going to these people,etc,etc, thats why i moved to Hong Kong,and now here.
I much prefer being somewhere where you know exactly where you stand.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:57 am on Nov. 30, 2002
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JIMMY D
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'Blinded by my passion ',
I really like that one joe,and i hope to stay that way for the rest of my life.
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Posted on: 10:03 am on Nov. 30, 2002
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MrJoe
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Excuse my WTF remark. I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I sometimes use "soldier's language" but I did not curse you.
Aggresion? No more than your post to me. My fairness is slipping you say. Again I don't know what you mean.
I am not a spokesman or a defender of any religion. I believe that I am not in a position to decide who has the "right" religion and so I think legal rights apply to all -- even people I don't like.
Personally I think the more one sees, the better one understands. I can't imagine choosing not to see.
Good night.
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Posted on: 10:16 am on Nov. 30, 2002
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X
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Jimmy D...
What Muslim cleric in Belgium are you talking about and what did he do? Are you sure it's not the Dutch muslim cleric who caused near riots with his anti-gay comments? (bearing in mind that Holland is a country where homosexuals can be legally married and do share the same rights as hetrosexuals ).
If so... as much as I HATE what that cleric said... I would fight for his right to say it. It's a two way street. If I am free to stand up right now and tell the world how much of an asshole that cleric is for holding those views... then surely he has much right to voice his opinions and beliefs.
On what do you base your "some religious groups will never fit in" theory? And just where is your line with which religious groups do and don't "fit in"? And does this "never fit in" theory extend to other groups (i.e. homosexuals, other minorities) or is it just purely a religious barrier??
I hate fundamentalists period. Not just fundamentalist Muslims, but those bible-bashing fundamentalist Christians bigots get right up my nose too. Are you saying we shouldn't tolerate the fundamentalist Muslims but the fundamentalist Christians are ok, tolerable, acceptable???
ZZZZ had it right with political correctness and freedom of speech being two completely different things. I don't give a toss for p-c-ness, but I do feel really strongly about freedom of speech and religious freedom for ALL.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:20 am on Nov. 30, 2002
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JIMMY D
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X,
I was refering to the murder in Belgium of a local ethnic,and the riots that insued.
Noknas post was about the Cleric,i feel the posts are loosely related.
Nothing to do with gay bashing in Holland.
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Posted on: 12:03 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
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Sauron
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It cannot be repeated often enough:
Islam is not a monolithic religion or culture. Its implementation and interpretation vary widely from country to country within the Islamic world.
In general it is a tolerant, peace loving belief system and 100% related directly to Judaism and Christianity.
Moslems regard Abraham as ancestor and prophet, and the Koran names and honors many if not all of the Old Testament prophets as well as Jesus as prophet. Like the Jews, Islamists simply do not regard Jesus Christ as Messiah and are still waiting for their redeemer to appear.
99.99% of Moslems have no truck with fundamentalism, much less militantcy or terrorism.
However many Moslems do have an understandable concern for the Middle East conflict between Israel and its neighbors esp the displaced people of Palestine, and they see the American government as taking a lopsided position on this matter in favor of Israel. This is and will be for some time a cause for tension which plays into the hands of the terrorists.
However, to hate Islam because of the actions of a tiny minority of terrorists who violate the basic tenets of Islam with their every act, makes as little sense as to hate Christians because of the un-Christian actions of say, the PIRA or the Ulster protestant terrorists.
I am not Islamic. And I hate terrorists. But I do not hate Islam.
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Posted on: 2:56 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
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zzzZ
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"I am not Islamic. And I hate terrorists. But I do not hate Islam." ... didn't I hear George Bush say that?? 
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Posted on: 5:02 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
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nokna
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zzzZ
i'm glad you realise i was only repeating something i heard on the radio.
the person i heard being interviewed said that it was all America's fault that all these outrages were happening.
his words,not mine.
but there is one thing about the British government which pisses me off.
this person being interviewed(forget his name),is wanted in Israel(i think) for terrorist offences.
an extradition order was asked by the country involved,but the British government refused to act on it.
said it would infringe his civil rights,as he had not had a fair trial,being found guilty in his absense.
but surely if he has nothing to hide and he is innocent,he should have no worries about going and facing a court?.
is it he thinks that being a muslim he will not get a fair trial in a jewish court?.
personally i have no problem with any religion.
i was born in a christian country,but have no interest about religion.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:30 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
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MrJoe
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Nokna,
I hate to get back on this thread but I want you to know that we have reached an area of agreement: Anyone who has been deemed culpable (by a credible source and based on evidence) in an act of terrorism or is suspected as such should be pursued and captured / killed wherever they are.
As for Islam, I purposely avoided something so vile as a critique of various religions and thier relative merit because it is bound to bring bigotry to the fore. I had hoped to avoid that happening. But Jimmy is apparently comfortable with his prejudice and said so. Fine.
Sauron is clearly and verifiably correct. It's simply a matter of the facts. One can discuss the dangers of fundamentalism (as X said -- in any religion) as one can discuss the danger of any perverse ideology that evil people use to further their own twisted objectives, but to blame an entire religion for the actions of its adherents is ignorant, simplistic and bigoted. It will lead to only more strife and misery and it is immoral in the very truest sense of the word.
BTW let's not forget that if you want reject all muslims you are rejecting Ýmaybe a couple million Thais to start with...
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Posted on: 7:15 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
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