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OK Duck,
He did say resume although I do not believe that the term 'return to' and 'resume' have any difference in this context.
Mr. Alan,
What part of self-sufficency and hapiness do you not understand. The Bar scene provides a lot of cash (= self-sufficency) and partying (= hapiness). It seems to me that the current Bar scene fits perfectly into the 'New Thai Order'.
Of course, maybe you do not like the partying aspect Mr Alan???
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:53 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 2:11 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
Mr. Alan, What part of self-sufficency and hapiness do you not understand. The Bar scene provides a lot of cash (= self-sufficency) and partying (= hapiness). It seems to me that the current Bar scene fits perfectly into the 'New Thai Order'.
Of course, maybe you do not like the partying aspect Mr Alan???
I don't know where you got the idea that I don't like the "partying aspect." Nevertheless, what I like, or what you like, is completely irrelevant since it is now up to the ruling government as to what they like. Even when elections do occur, I don’t think we will be voting.
However, it is possible that when the Prime Minister endorsed a policy of self-sufficiency and happiness over pursuit of economic growth, that he considers self-sufficiency to mean without the money provided from tourism, especially sex-tourism. He may also mean that “happiness” is not having to engage in prostitution to earn a living. The new PM seemed to suggest a change from the status quo (or why would he have said it), and currently there is a lot of P4P and “partying” in Thailand right now.
Now, I certainly could be wrong about that, and maybe self-sufficiency and happiness are synonymous with prostitution in the mind of the PM and the King. That sounds like a strange interpretation to me, but we will have to see what happens.
Probably the best that can be hoped for is that the government cannot really make significant social changes even if they wanted to. But I am not drunk with self-delusion when I hear the PM say something that suggests changes from the way things are now.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 2:16 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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China Sailor
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Sorry Mr. A
I didn't know you had an inside track to the PM.
However, when you start talking of self-delusion step carefully as you are the biggest doom-sayer on this board.
Even if there was a move to close down the Bar Scene, they could not do that without replacement jobs and businesses for those displaced.
What can they substitute? A Casino? I do not think so as they would have to fight Singapore and Macau for the business. An amusement park to draw tourists? Wrong again, HK has Disney and Singapore is getting Universal Studios. F1? Well the next Asian Circuit Race is going to HK. Beaches? Sorry nothing new here.
That rules out tourism. How about industry? As Vietnam and PI are finding out it is damn near impossible to compete with China for Textile Products. Electronics are locked up by Singapore, Korea, and Taiwan. Financial Services, HK, Communications, KL, IT India/PI. And to top it off, continued stability in Indonesia has more and more manufacturing capital moving that way.
That leaves agriculture, and why in the hell do you think these people left the farm in the first place? It is because they can not get beyond subsistence living in agriculture.
I do not doubt that there will be endless talk and hyped-up programs to build self-sufficiency, but it will take a decade or more to build an economy that will have enough new jobs a year to replace the bar scene. Until then people have to eat.
Mr. Alan, you need to quit talking to your 'educated' Thai friends and start looking at the reality on the ground. Reality is that like much of SEA and Eastern Europe Thailand has missed the 'economic prosperity bus' and the next one will not be around for awhile, leaving tourism and all of its nasty nightlife aspects as the only 'out' for the common people...
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:47 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 3:05 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
Sorry Mr. A, I didn't know you had an inside track to the PM.
I never claimed any inside track to the new PM. But duck posted the following: "the new Prime Minister has endorsed a policy of self-sufficiency and happiness, over pursuit of economic growth" and the duck thought it was a good thing. But what does it mean?
The reasons you site as to why Thailand cannot crack down on P4P is because of the economic consequences, but the PM clearly said he will pursue new policies that benefit the well being of the people "over pursuit of economic growth." You then rant about the economic consequences to Thailand of reducing P4P even though the PM has clearly stated that he does not care about economic consequences.
Insofar as me being a doomsayer, nothing of the sort is true, and I clearly said in my post above that "the government cannot really make significant social changes even if they wanted to."
So I suppose that we really disagree about what the new PM "wants to do" instead of what realistically he “can do.” If the King has anything to do with it, I would say they definitely would like to reduce P4P in Thailand.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 4:29 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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ThaidUp
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Mr. Alan is all wet as usual but I do agree with his statement
Now, I certainly could be wrong about that
Given that the first move by the new government was to remove the restriction on alcohol sales on the King's and Queen's B-day I think it is crystal clear where this party is headed and it is to the party.
I predict a new hey-day in Thailand, drinks flowing, naked asses a swinging and later closing hours.
I predict a move to allow places to open later and cleaning up the overflow that falls into the streets of Sukhumvitt. The old governement had their heads up their asses. The main reason for the clamp down was the former PM could not control his own son.
I have to disagree with China Sailor in the statement
Electronics are locked up by Singapore, Korea, and Taiwan.
While Taiwan is a growing electronics concern, Singapore is dead. In fact in Singapore every electronics company is running to neighboring countries. Korea well the problem with Korea is the Koreans, they will never expand outside their own Korean conglomerates.
Thailand still has a growing electronics industry, but has stiff competition from Malaysia and Vietnam. Forgot the Indos few US or European managers want to make the decision to expand in that radical country.
In the area of finance, Thailand is decades behind in this area. Singapore is becoming a growing financial hub to replace their fleeting manufacturing business. So with both Singapore and HK that is enough for the SE Asian region.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:24 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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Broken Leg
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Quote: from China Sailor on 4:05 am on Oct. 4, 2006
What can they substitute? A Casino? I do not think so as they would have to fight Singapore and Macau for the business.
 . That would sound exactly like self sufficiency to me. Why would they need to worry about finding or fighting for business? Would also stop all the thais flooding to cambodia saving oil also adding to self sufficiency as well as reducing pollution and road deaths adding to happiness.
Yes, looks like it's casinos for LOS.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:36 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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seajohn
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Someone sent me a link to this article which is thought-provoking. However I do not admit having the same views as the author of it, whom I do not even know (him or his interests). I think it is too early to agree or disagree with it. Primarily because much of the subject, as most people on this board might agree, may be abstraction... "the legitimacy of democracy" rather than the actual situation "on the ground" as someone put it. Then again...
However, as I mentioned, it is thought provoking. And I do know that you'd have trouble discussing this with middle class Thai (not to mention lower class), especially as the Coup claimed Royal approval.
Sorry for the long preface,
http://fpif.org/fpiftxt/3557
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:46 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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LocalYokul
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Quote: from ThaidUp on 8:42 am on Oct. 4, 2006
it is crystal clear where this party is headed and it is to the party
 
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:16 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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Arramsey
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After hearing about all the ills that have been brought upon Thailand by the former ruling party, I get the feeling that due to a typographical error the party was wrongly named "TRT" ( Thai Love Thai ).
It probably should have been named "TFT" - where the second word is replaced by a 4 letter unparliamentary English word that rhymes with RAK !!!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:49 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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Janitor
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The self-suffiency remark is in line with what the king has been talking about - and in all the references I have read this has been linked to individual self-sufficiency rather than the self-sufficiency of Thailand itself.
Whatever the new govts view on p4p and partying, they will hardly be able to clamp down without providing other means of self-sufficiency... and that will be a very long time coming....
the party days are here, I believe...
I'm with the Duck on this one.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:50 pm on Oct. 3, 2006
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