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magnum
... S M E G M A... CalEden... atl.

... ease up guys... I am neglecting my own advice... humor at times does not convey well over the Internet... it is a poor attempt at lampooning, and you are all correct, I am not serious.

... "Revenge of the Farang"?. (close one eye, tilt the head a bit and loosen the tie... now grimace a bit... it's perhaps not fast-tracked for film production, but it does have a certain National Lampoon-ish flavor).


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Posted on: 12:09 am on April 30, 2010
thailife
I find it amusing that we haggle over a 10 baht tip or haggle over a small amount with a taxi driver but we find it a non issue when we blow through money at all the bars..... I remember when 80 baht would get you a beer in Cowboy but now it's all over 130. Add to that the drop in the dollar over the past 10 years and purchasing power has really dropped in half. So I don't think about the little things like taxi fare, I worry about when the next buffalo will get sick because that's the bill I don't want to pay.

Add up the money for a typical trip.... airfare $1,500 Hotel $600 Food $500 Nightlife $1,000

So in the big picture the taxi just isn't important.


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Posted on: 1:57 am on April 30, 2010
Kaymanx

Quote: from magnum on 12:09 pm on April 30, 2010
humor at times does not convey well over the Internet

I thought the fun in your post was pretty evident


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Posted on: 3:39 am on April 30, 2010
Kaymanx
Red shirts May Stop Blocking Pathumwan, Chidlom Intersections

The red-shirt protesters may stop blocking the Pathumwan and Childlom intersections so that a school and some shopping centres could be reopened, Suporn Atthawong, a leader said Friday.

Suporn said the red-shirt leaders may make a decision in the evening to stop blocking the two intersections, especially the Pathumwan.

Suporn said bunkers at the Pathumwan intersection might be removed and the protesters might pull back until the Chalermpao Intersection so that Siam Paragon and Siam Center could be reopened.

He said the blockade at the Chidlom Intersection might be ended because Mater Dei School, which is located there, will be reopened next month.

Suporn said the red-shirt leaders were discussion how to facilitate parents and students traveling to the school but have not reached a conclusion yet.

Suporn said the red-shirt leaders might also allow the traffic on the Henri Dunant to be resumed.

-The Nation


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Posted on: 3:47 am on April 30, 2010
Kaymanx
Switched in midway through an interview of PM Abhisit on a TV channel and heard him say he has been elected to parliament 7 times, that is, more number of times than Thaksin has been elected...

Are we getting some clues now to who is the more seasoned politician ?



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Posted on: 7:10 am on April 30, 2010
Adventure Guy
Seasoned or not, no one's hands are clean.

Plain and simple, the facts are that the poor people, the greater majority of citizens, had their duly elected leader (corrupt though he is... also) thrown out in a military coup, and if that was not enough, then had the entire democratic process contravened in a stolen election by a government of the wealthy few, installed over the incredibly laughable "crime" of the premiere appearing on a TV food show.

They deserve better. Thailand deserves better.


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Posted on: 7:24 am on April 30, 2010
CalEden
magnum, you take it "just like water off a ducks back"...a proper duck unlike the resident poofter


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Posted on: 7:28 am on April 30, 2010
magnum

Quote: from Adventure Guy on 7:24 pm on April 30, 2010
They deserve better. Thailand deserves better.

... I'm not so sure I agree. I helped a buddy get elected to US Congress in the early 1990... great guy.

... he returned to district each weekend and would meet informally with the guys who helped get him elected, to share his experiences and views about what it was like to be a Congressman.

... he observed just how remarkable it is that representative democracy works so well, explaining that as he looked over the body of Congress, it truly mirrored the make-up of America.

... all stripes and colors, all religions and creeds, men and women, some hard-working statesmen ernestly working for their constituents, some outright crooks there only to make a buck for themselves... in aggregate, a fair sampling of the American people.

... assuming his observations of representative democracy apply here as well, what does that say about the Thai people?


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Posted on: 10:05 am on April 30, 2010
Mr Alan

Quote: from Kaymanx on 7:10 am on April 30, 2010
Switched in midway through an interview of PM Abhisit on a TV channel and heard him say he has been elected to parliament 7 times, that is, more number of times than Thaksin has been elected...

Are we getting some clues now to who is the more seasoned politician ?
The number of times one is elected to parliament is irrelevant in a democracy. Being elected to parliament is not the same as being elected PM by the majority of parliament. And if parliament is elected when the opposition party is outlawed, then that makes his legitimacy even more dubious.

US President Obama unsuccessfully ran for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, but was elected to the US Senate in 2004. That one election was the full extent of his experience in federal politics before he became US President.

Abhisit is not a politician, he is a dictator, seasoned or otherwise.


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Posted on: 10:37 am on April 30, 2010
Kaymanx
A parliamentarian's long experience is irrelevant in a democracy ? We are now getting more clues here. In any case all this debate about democracy vis-a-vis the present lawlessness is itself not of much relevance. A democratic protest ought to feature unarmed peaceful people, to my mind. Waging war against your own troops is not democracy, it is rebellion. When so-called protesters are armed to the teeth with machine guns, grenade launchers, and the other paraphernalia that we have read about, one would be considerably stretching logic in misrepresenting it as a democratic protest.

Democracy is all about discussion, debate and the prevailing of the wish of the majority without stifling the minority or the destruction of law. Thailand is handling the long-running problem in its own way. Conventional and worldly wisdoms don't all work here, just as they will not work uniformly in all countries. It will be a long-winded argument here to go into the supreme abuse of civil institutions that the country faced, which set off all the chain of events leading up to the present.

I would just say that each country, each culture has its own method of getting round its problems. In advanced countries where safety of life and limb under legal, civil and social institutions is greater, meaning where democracy has deep roots, protests and government's response are more civil, involving hardly any violence. The difference in standards can be seen from the recent apology of Gordon Brown to an ordinary voter whom he called "bigoted" and his several attempts to make up with that unknown lady, all in the interest of "decency in public life." As we travel eastwards, of course, people would be hard pressed to decipher what Mr.Brown's fuss was all about. What's the big deal about calling someone bigoted ? People and ministers are freely called traitors and criminals and no one bats an eyelid. Most of the tainted politicians win elections by comfortable margins too.

Does democracy serve its purpose then ? It does, but the process of reform in the third world is going to be slow and tortuous. The standards of the western world would need to be considerably fine tuned when assessing the eastern world.

In regions where culture and tradition, rather than civil law, reign supreme, where people's education levels are not sufficiently high, where they are not globalised enough, we are bound to witness a preponderance of local solutions that may seem bizarre to the outsider. This is what the insurgency is all about. If this fight were really about democracy then the reds are clearly not democratic. They are as guilty of wanting to force their will as those they decry. Therefore their solution of wanting the government out will beget an equal and opposite reaction ad infinitum, just as the yellows did before them. In any case there already was a clear time frame for election in nine months even before the present unrest began. Clearly there is a hidden agenda which renders irrelevant all debate about democracy.

In Thailand's favour is its own intrinsic culture of peace and stability and non-violence. It is what is apparently influencing the government's hesitation to use force to quell the mob, which it fears would create permanent scars and deeper divisions. This is where "seasoning" is relevant. Not a solution by itself, certainly, but if you see the glass as half full, rather than half empty, you would see that at least there is no repression.


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Posted on: 1:35 pm on April 30, 2010
     

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