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Quote: from thailife on 1:57 pm on April 30, 2010
It's not about the small change, it's about their f***ing inherent scamming attitude
atl's got the right idea - reward the monkeys if they show promise
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Posted on: 6:07 pm on April 30, 2010
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Buai
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Quote: from quack quack on 11:03 pm on April 30, 2010
Well, the SET is up more than 1.37% today; this implies one if two possibilities:
1> The current government has ordered institutions to buy stocks, or;
2> The business community has started discounting the red threat.
3> Thailand is not as bad as Greece, Spain, Portugal,...
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Posted on: 6:34 pm on April 30, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Kaymanx on 1:35 pm on April 30, 2010
A parliamentarian's long experience is irrelevant in a democracy ? We are now getting more clues here.
It is irrelevant in terms of who the winner of an election is. The winner should be the one with the most votes, not necessarily the one with the most experience. If the person (or party) who gets the least votes, subsequently orchestrates a coup and outlaws the opposition party, then there is no legitimacy that can be afforded to their government and it must be dissolved in favor of new elections.
I omitted quoting the rest of your diatribe, because there are no substantive points you have raised, and no logic in your post that one can even understand, much less rebut.
I say these things, not because I am in favor of the red shirt's political program if they did win an election (I am most assuredly right of center on most issues), but as a matter of principle in terms of respecting the democratic process (i.e., voting).
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Posted on: 8:41 pm on April 30, 2010
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S M E G M A
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:41 am on May 1, 2010
The winner should be the one with the most votes, not necessarily the one with the most experience.
And that is why democracy leads to failure (*), as there are more idiots everywhere, they end up being the ones that decide elections. Wanna win? Be a populist and go convince the stupid masses with populist promises and by instilling fear (of what the other candidate will do if elected, of foreign terrorists attacking, of foreigners taking over your country, etc etc.). The experienced smart guy who may end up being the best choice stands no chance against the charismatic populist.
(*) Perhaps over 100 years ago this was not so, as it with the lack of instant modern communication (live TV, Internet, etc.) it was more difficult to get to the stupid masses (they didn't bother to read the chronicles and opinion pieces written in newspapers). Hitler was one of the first to prove that in modern times, the masses easily make very bad choices.
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Posted on: 8:50 pm on April 30, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from S M E G M A on 8:50 pm on April 30, 2010
And that is why democracy leads to failure (*), as there are more idiots everywhere, they end up being the ones that decide elections.
Depends on how you define failure. IMO voting is better than anarchy in the streets, or dictators running the government.
Hitler only received about 1/3 of the vote, which is why he dispensed with electons as soon as he brokered his way into power.
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Posted on: 9:15 pm on April 30, 2010
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Valetta
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Mr Alan is right.
If democracy has one essential ingredient it is that the will of the majority must prevail,and be respected.
Weasel excuses such as the majority are uneducated and easily duped and,therefor, their electoral decision can be set aside,or ignored,result in just the sort of civil conflict now taking place in Bangkok.
When all is said and done the Bangkok bureaucrats,the Bangkok elite,and much of its middle class are simply trying to return to the status quo before Taksin when they made the important decisions about who got what.
But the genie is now well and truly out of the bottle.If the former decision makers want to restore things more to their liking, they will have to ensure that more money is spent on educating their Isaan brothers,so that they are more capable of making informed decisions(and be more like them).
In western European democracies power moved from the landed aristocracy to the middle class,and only much later and more slowly to the population as a whole,and during that change the lower classes were more respectful of their supposed betters,and less confident as to their capacity to make important decisions.Mass communication has changed all of that.
The Bangkok elites are going to have to accept that much has changed with Taksin,and there is no going back.
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Posted on: 10:00 pm on April 30, 2010
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 Mob rules ! thats why Thailand is close to Anarchy where it will lose its Freedom, just like its neighbors in its political borders ! it has no internal law and order to keep its citizens civil !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy
One of the characteristics of a free and open society is that its people retain the right to peaceably assemble and to petition their government for the redress of grievances.
During the French Revolution, the mobs in Paris played a similar function, but were more carefully manipulated by political leaders who sensed that they had the power to dispose of monarchy entirely, as they did, eventually setting up a representative democracy (which in turn fell to Napoleon's model of semi-constitutional monarchy).[citation needed]
The modern theories of civil disobedience and satyagraha can be differentiated from "mob rule" and its mechanics, as these actions forgoes the use of the violence and force that the mob of ancient times employed.
Traditional non-violent protest theory holds that if the demonstrators are restrained and do not do any violence, yet refuse to back down, then they automatically win, as they either will be joined by the forces they face, be allowed to defy the law or government openly and peacefully, or be physically attacked, struck down, and made into powerful moral symbols of the lengths to which the agents of the state will go to enforce its laws. However, police forces around the world have become adept at making such gatherings irrelevant by limiting them to areas, in some cases dubbed "free speech zones," sufficiently separate from the object of their discontent, the rest of the public, and the media, to make them easily ignored. Permitting requirements in many jurisdictions effectively make demonstrations without advance police permission illegal. Various efforts to increase demonstrators communal intelligence and mobility using cell phone networks and bicycles have been employed to circumvent crowd control and marginalizing techniques with speed. Flash mobs and Critical Mass style "bike block" actions are examples experimented with, with mixed results, notably during the 2004 Republican National Convention.
Modern theory concludes that since Roman guards, facing crucifixion for disobedience, could be swayed by mobs, it is also possible to sway modern police, even in a police state. The 1986 EDSA Revolution in the Philippines, the Velvet Revolution in former Czechoslovakia, and the resistance to the attempted military coup in the Soviet Union in 1991 that led to the collapse of that state, are situations where it is possible that it was the "mob" which won the day due to defections by authority.
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Posted on: 10:45 pm on April 30, 2010
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Kaymanx
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:41 am on May 1, 2010
It is irrelevant in terms of who the winner of an election is. The winner should be the one with the most votes, not necessarily the one with the most experience. If the person (or party) who gets the least votes, subsequently orchestrates a coup and outlaws the opposition party, then there is no legitimacy that can be afforded to their government and it must be dissolved in favor of new elections.
Apparently there is confusion here on what I intended to say and what you have inferred. My intent in pointing to his experience and "seasoning" was only to show that he was politically well grounded in contrast to the machiavellian style of the other. Nowhere have I meant to say that he therefore deserved to usurp power. But this is the style of distortion employed by the reds today.
The rest of the "diatribe," I agree -- and I did say so -- would be incomprehensible to the outsider grounded in theory and technicalities who has not to deal with or lived amidst vastly contrasting and often unworkable inadequacies in the polity. Cunning and evil politicians take advantage of these contradictions and chinks to tinker with laws and institutions, that not just benefit themselves but weaken the country, and then present a picture of wronged martyrs when drastic means are resorted to strip them of power. Once again, this is not to justify those extra-constitutional measures, but to highlight the abuse of office that set off all the turbulence.
When people argue that "Weasel excuses such as the majority are uneducated and easily duped and,therefor, their electoral decision can be set aside,or ignored,result in just the sort of civil conflict now taking place in Bangkok" (Valetta) it is equally important to not ignore the abuses that preceded the present situation. This would help democracy stand a better chance of surviving by keeping people's eyes and minds open to all causes of the present troubles, so that the next election would hopefully see more intelligent and educated voting.
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Posted on: 2:12 am on May 1, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Kaymanx on 2:12 am on May 1, 2010
When people argue that "Weasel excuses such as the majority are uneducated and easily duped and,therefor, their electoral decision can be set aside,or ignored,result in just the sort of civil conflict now taking place in Bangkok" (Valetta) it is equally important to not ignore the abuses that preceded the present situation. This would help democracy stand a better chance of surviving by keeping people's eyes and minds open to all causes of the present troubles, so that the next election would hopefully see more intelligent and educated voting.
If someone committed a crime (corruption, or "abuses" as you put it) a society may be within its rights (if so allowed in its constitution and laws) to remove that official (Thaksin) from office.
However, an entire political party cannot be banned from future elections on that basis. That is "guilt by association," which is the antithesis of a free society. And in reality, we know it is just an excuse to waive the democratic process and seize power for themselves.
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Posted on: 2:41 am on May 1, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Saturday 1 May 2010 :-
Room-booking rate drops in North
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The impact of continuing political turmoil had driven foreign tourists away, bringing down the in advance hotel room-booking rate by 20 per cent, Phunath Thanaloapanich, chairman of the Northern Hotels Association, said on Saturday.
Mr Phunath said if the red-shirts anti-government rally is prolonged, it would definitely severely affect the tourism sector in the North.
He added that his association will soon launch campaign offering special discount for hotel room rates of the three to five stars hotels in the upper North to encourage more Thai tourists to visit the North.
This will help minimize negative effect of political uncertainty, he said.
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Posted on: 3:01 am on May 1, 2010
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