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QQ, I could pour some more fuel into your China/Brazil theories just to add to the fun.
Maybe it was not so obvious to you that China is a communist country, distinctly anti-US, anti-India and anti-Israel. This slant straightaway makes it the best friend of that hotbed of terrorism, Pakistan. China has God-like status in Pakistan. Remember, however, that China is not totally immune from the Islamic fundamentalists who are a law unto themselves. Maybe -- just maybe -- if you jog that memory card of yours a bit, you'd recall that when a Muslim-related law and order problem erupted on China's northwest recently, with the Chinese putting down the Muslim commmunity with brute force, as is its wont, the Al Qaeda issued a fatwa calling on bretheren there to fight back the Chinese government. It is rather mysterious that the matter died down quickly. No ?
Be sure, therefore that this immunity from terror that you see in China is tenuous and would last only so long as it plays benign godfather to Pakistan.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:52 am on May 19, 2011
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Broken Leg
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Quote: from Blonk on 5:03 am on May 20, 2011
I think most chinese would die laughing if they read this thread...
No, they'd just see a load of letters they didn't understand.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:26 pm on May 19, 2011
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thailife
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QQ, your view that if China stopped ledning money to the U.S. is laughable....
It is a parasitic relationship.... they collapse us, we collapse them... it's called MAD... mutually assured destruction, not in the cold war sense, but that of hungry people (millions of them) in China rioting in the streets.... you have no clue as to how things work. I bet you are a school teacher.
By the way, the world does not hate the U.S., they have a problem with our policies... and the masses really don't matter anyway... it is the ones with the money and power that count. Let them eat cake.
Byt he way.... before you say "China owns the U.S.", maybe you should know the facts of who owns the debt...
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt
This is a giant ponzi scheme and everyone world wide will figure it out.... everyone has way too much to lose.... but then again, QQ is used to saying things like "everyone hates the U.S."...... for hating they sure like to buy our debt.....
And I do have to chuckle a little bit.... we trade our paper debt to people and countries in return for assets.... If the U.S. defaulted today, who would be hurt more.... the U.S. or the rest of the world.
You ignorant neophyte.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:09 pm on May 21, 2011
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Kaymanx
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QuackQuack,
China buying US treasuries is financial assistance ? You know what, you seem pretty desperate now to unearth some non-existent logic in every position you have taken with your latest rants. The Chinese have a trillion dollars plus in foreign exchange reserves. No one, not even you, could endanger that kind of money on the pretext of financial assistance. Get some reality check. It's investment. Unless they saw some leverage in building up their inventory -- of anything, whether it's US treasuries or their own rare earth metals or their nuclear missiles -- they are not going to invest that much money. You post some pretty incredible stuff, QQ. And you even pretend to sound well-read and researched.
I am not sure you quite understand much of what is being debated here. Being anti-US or anti-India refers to being anti-democracy. It need not manifest itself only in the form of aggressive postures or tactics in bilateral relations, although even that is often manifest.
Your statement that most of the world is anti-US and anti-Israel is just your tuppence. Opinion surveys are a dime-a-dozen and opinions keep changing by the hour. Yet, here you are seeking to buttress your grand delusions by providing four-year old weblinks from 2007 !! Many ordinary people do not, at all times, support US government policies and that applies to Americans themselves. Such dissent is well publicised, of course, for only one reason, and that is transparency, which itself is a proud democratic virtue. Not understood in China. Not appreciated in China. Not allowed in China. The Chinese are, however, quick to grab the advantages of seeing other people naked in a nudist park, and touting the data to their own people -- and their afficionados -- as proof of their own supremacy.
You have this other grand delusion that the US is making massive investments in India to set up a bulwark against China. Provide the data here because there are not many around as gullible as you who would buy this amateurish reasoning. US investments in China are much larger than investments in India. Here's a quick reality check for you. Between 2005 and 2009, US direct investments in China+Hong Kong grew from US$55 billion to US$100 billion. In the same period US direct investments in India grew from US$7 billion to US$19 billion (data from US Dept of Commerce, http://www.bea.gov/international/xls/longctry.xls). Also note, these are industrial and commercial investments which seek viable financial returns to investors. You would need to show military investments and military bases if you were serious about your bulwark bullcrap. The US does have a humongous military presence and investment in Pakistan, a favourite friend of China's. Go digest that.
QQ, isn't it strange that you go to great lengths to quote statements made by terrorist organisations to prove they are driven by their stated agenda of foreign occupation ? Liars state one thing to capture a constituency for themselves, and there are enough gullible people to buy them, like yourself. You wilfully fail to realise that, like most political movements, these bigots are holding on to a campaign that has long since ceased to exist in core and has changed colour, only to exploit public sympathy. The sympathisers do not accept govenment statements at face value (which is good) but are ready to swallow the radical line without exercising the same due diligence that they show in criticising civilised world's position. You seem to be an apologist for these actions ("I consider every method to achieve this aim legitimate" ) by viewing them all too readily as manifestations of what you call "Muslim anger towards US and Israel."
Now your allegation : "India is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Kashmir..." is another unsubstantiated load of motivated slander. Can you show the data, QQ ? Tens of thousands of civilian deaths !?!! In a democracy where the TV and print media, representing different ideologies, is insanely hyperactive ? Where mobile phone cameras are available with millions of people who could record such wilful killings ? You must be referring to the thousands of innocent civilian deaths and maimings at the hands of Islamist jihadis and Maoist reds.
What cracks me up finally is this : "almost every Thai that I spoken to has told me that he/she dislikes Indians intensely. Much as I detest national / racial discriminations of any kind, your posts are making me realize the reasons for the Thai dislike of Indians."
Really ? Have your intensive research efforts on this subject now covered Thais ? And since you see a link between my post and this alleged dislike, did they also tell you that they all read my post here while forming their "intense dislike?" We all know such dislike has been allegedly there for quite some years, so maybe they all read my post several years before I posted ? Can you provide a pie chart, numbers, demographic trend lines, etc ? So, you say you detest racial discrimination, yet have no qualms about making unsubstantiated claims about what Thais allegedly said and then admitting you sympathise with such alleged racial dislike because you treat the posts of one man as representative of the entire community ?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:35 am on May 22, 2011
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Valetta
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To label China anti-USA,anti-India,or anti-Israel is at best simplistic,and a quite unhelpful way of understanding the ebb and flow of international relations.
China like all nations is first and foremost pro itself,but like all nations it has to pursue its national aims and interests while taking into account the national aims and interests of other nations,and in particular the capacity of other nations to achieve their objectives.
Not surprisingly China`s rapidly increasing economic strength has enabled it to greatly increase its military capacity,making China far more formidable than if it had relied just on its economic strength to achieve its national aims.
The USA,Japan,Taiwan,and India in particular,and the rest of the world in general have to take China`s much larger national footprint into account in making their decisions as to how they respond to China`s attempts to achieve its national aims. Inevitably the world is going to have to make greater concessions to China because of China`s ever increasing economic and military strength.Not to do so runs the risk of war which would result in a far worse outcome, regardless of who was the perceived winner,than would making sensible,staged concessions in recognition of China`s increased power.In any event the possession of nuclear weapons by China,the USA,and India makes a decisive military outcome virtually unachievable.
It is most unlikely that there would be any significant change in how China acted in the pursuit of its national aims if China became a democracy.China remembers when it was the most technically advanced,and civilized country in the world,and how western countries used their military power to extract humiliating concessions from it in the 19th century.There is a national determination to right these perceived wrongs which transcends politics, and how China is governed such that any Chinese government would have to bow to this determination to restore China to its former pre-eminent position.
In any event there is no persuasive evidence that a democratic state is more likely to avoid resorting to a military solution to achieve its national aims.One only has to consider Britain`s use of military power to acquire its colonial empire,and more recently the USA`s repeated resort to force in central America,Vietnam,Iran, Afghanistan,Iraq,and Pakistan.
I do not comment on whether all or any of these military adventures were justified,or well advised,but simply if a nation has the military power,and concludes that if it uses that power it will achieve its aims at an acceptable cost,it will usually do so regardless of whether or not it is a democracy.
Welcome to the world of realpolitik.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:04 pm on May 22, 2011
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thailife
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maybe QQ and Blonk can lead a SAS commando unit to stop the infiltration of muslims into China......
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:36 pm on May 22, 2011
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Quote: from quack quack on 1:38 pm on May 27, 2011
B TW: why is the US so silent about democracy in Saudi Arabia & in Bahrain?
Applying your logic, both these countries should be adversaries of the US, because they aren’t democracies
I would say that I would have to agree with you QQ. The "allow all countries to have democracy" clearly does not make sense in light of some of the allies of the US. The claim of human rights violations would also seem to be a pick and choose strategy by the US since there are many other countries whose governments clearly abuse their citizens. In the end, the US is using its economic influence and military power to obtain its objectives. So where does that leave us?
Basically, the US can do whatever it wants and there are no countries that are going to stop them. Certainly no one wants to square off against the US militarily. Also, we know that the other countries out there are so greedy that even UN economic sanctions would not work (of course they could not pass them anyways since the US is one of the five members of the Security Council). No country wants to stop trade with the US since it is a big consumer in the world. So where does that leave the world?
I guess you could cheer for the US to falter economically. It certainly shows some signs of that already starting, but is that really good for the rest of the world? Probably not. The US has a huge import-export deficit which many countries out there take advantage of and sell their goods to the US. An economic collapse would have worldwide repercussions that would probably affect almost all of the members here in some way or another. Also, if the US gets to the point where the citizens are finally forced to work in lower paying jobs, then you have the possibility of manufacturing moving back to the US (a big crash would be necessary for this to occur) and then you would impact the world economic situation even more. The members here who are cheering for a US economic collapse are deluding themselves if they think this would help the rest of the world.
Looks like the alternative is to sit back and complain. I think most here are doing a good job of this (myself included).
For the record, I am a US citizen and I am not going to apologize for any US acts. I don't necessarily agree with all US policy and question some of the recent actions. I also know that all of the reasons are not necessarily handed out just to satisfy the curiosity of the board members. In other words, perhaps there is some intelligence that was gathered that warrants a specific action, yet releasing this information would endanger the collection of future intelligence. It is also possible that mistakes were made. Well, too bad. If you don't like it, have your government spend more on its military and use that to stop the US. All countries have taxes and the US chose to use theirs to beef up their military. I for one would like to keep my taxes low, so all of you non Americans are welcome to petition your government to beef up your military power and take the reigns from the US.
So, who would be a good candidate? Russia? Iran? Australia? Perhaps the US did not satisfy your sense of right and justice in the world, but a little look at world history would show you that the US probably has shown more restraint than the other previous superpowers of the past thousands of years.
So to sum it up, the US can basically do anything it wants and no one here is going to stop them. This includes the US citizens who foolhardily thought that electing Obama would result in a change in US policy. While it did change somewhat domestically by negatively affecting the economy, and to a degree internationally, we are still in Iraq. We are still in Afghanistan. Guantanamo is still there. Anyone with half functioning reasoning would have known that a pullout may never happen and certainly would never happen in a year or even during Obama's first term. Obama is just like the Thai bargirl that will tell you everything you want to hear at the bar but end up with a different ending when you get back to the hotel. The newbie voters should have listened to us experienced mongers and voted for the guy that would not have wrecked the economy. While this is happening, other countries are still complaining to the International press while secretly making other arrangements with the US government with their hands out taking the US bribes that are called foreign assistance. And those that think this would be a better world if the US refrained from exerting its influence are just as delusional. Show me the alternative and step up and make it happen rather than just whining.
I do want to end this on a funny note though. I do not want to waste too much time pouring through the notes here, but I do recall a certain Australian who was very profuse in his denouncement of the US activities in Iraq. What made this humorous is the fact that the Australian military was part of the coalition of forces over in Iraq, but he never denounced his own country for following in the wake of evil America. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Okay, I like a lot of members here and get along with many individuals regardless of nationality. I know my rhetoric will incite flaming, but let's not let this keep us from enjoying a drink or two together in the future.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:56 am on May 27, 2011
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Kaymanx
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Before you labour more over your responses, QQ, let me suggest that you stay specific to the posts that you are responding to lest you get dismissed as a meandering poster stretching the thread any which way.
Briefly (again) :
1. My reference to China was in the context of your rhetoric about why terrorists (based in Pakistan, as I elaborated) were not targeting that country. All your other arguments about the relevance of democracy to other countries are totally out of context.
2. Then you are proving to be too clever by half. You quote from Wikipedia to show there were 3400 disappearances and 47,000 deaths which you whimsically blame the Indian government for. Too cleverly you left out the immediately preceding sentence. Here’s the paragraph from your link, which reads as follows :-
“The Inter-Services Intelligence of Pakistan has been accused by India of supporting and training mujahideen.[12][13] to fight in Jammu and Kashmir.[14][15] According to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly (Indian controlled), there were 3,400 disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 47,000 people dead as of July 2009. However, the number of insurgency-related deaths in the state have fallen sharply since the start of a slow-moving peace process between India and Pakistan.” [16]
You see why I called it motivated slander on your part ?
3. You quoted Bin Laden’s rants earlier and now you argue he was fighting for the liberty / dignity of Palestinians ? You ignore the most inflammatory and unacceptable denouncements he made (and that others continue to make), namely that “the creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes.” Then you seek to equate him with Nelson Mandela ?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:29 am on May 27, 2011
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dirty guru
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This thread has become really interesting
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:42 am on May 28, 2011
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