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bkkz
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Bangkok Flood Map for Tourists
Please note, this is NOT a general flood map. It is only showing places that tourists might go to. There are more places which are flooded in the suburbs.
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Posted on: 12:00 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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tvn
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Quote: from bkkz on 11:06 am on Nov. 8, 2011
Today, Tesco has Mont Fluer brand for Bt97 per pack of 12 (0.5 L per bottle)... A person/family can buy 3 packs.
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Posted on: 1:07 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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Kaymanx
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Finally, some good reports. Thanks, Magnum.
CS, I have read that Bangkok is foolishly sited on a floodplain, that it should never have been there. But I was thinking, how many times in the past has Bangkok faced a situation as dire as this ? If what you say about the sponge-like quality of Bangkok's foundation is indeed true, it is going to take, not 6 weeks, but 6 months for the water to eventually drain / evaporate. BK meant it in jest, I thought, but it may well be serious. And if 6 months of water logging is what BKK is going to face - well, the implications for public health, sanitation, hygiene, the economy, etc is going to be horrendous.
Of course, this is just too much speculation and conjecture.
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Posted on: 2:45 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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bkkz
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Quote: from tvn on 2:07 pm on Nov. 8, 2011
Thanks. At Paragon, the only mineral water I see are imported brands. One was going for 1,080 B for a box of 24 x 500 ml bottles. Lots of beers on their shelves.
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Posted on: 3:59 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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magnum
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Quote: from Kaymanx on 3:45 pm on Nov. 8, 2011
Finally, some good reports. Thanks, Magnum.
CS, I have read that Bangkok is foolishly sited on a floodplain, that it should never have been there. But I was thinking, how many times in the past has Bangkok faced a situation as dire as this ? If what you say about the sponge-like quality of Bangkok's foundation is indeed true, it is going to take, not 6 weeks, but 6 months for the water to eventually drain / evaporate. BK meant it in jest, I thought, but it may well be serious. And if 6 months of water logging is what BKK is going to face - well, the implications for public health, sanitation, hygiene, the economy, etc is going to be horrendous.
Of course, this is just too much speculation and conjecture.
... Kaymanx... with all due espect to CS, the soil's ability to absorb and hold water, as a sponge, is grossly exagerated.
... the Chao Phrya River is the mouth of a large drainage basin, an "alluvial plain"... the soils here, deposited over millenia, are largely clayey... while clay absorbs and dispels water, it does so at a rate not measured with any clock you'd want to watch.
... I've forgotten about evaporative rates (engineering school, a lifetime ago), but be sure that we will see nothing impactful from evaporation... think how little water your pool loses to evaporation, even in arid locations... as you suggest, I too think BK was kidding... (engineer humor, I guess).
... this water will run off, as it has for millenia, although causing far more damage than in pre-developed history.
... deforestation causes a surge load to the system, creating more water volume than the watershed can efficiently drain naturally... building barriers (roadways, railways, housing estates, industrial parks, etc.) compounds the problem by diverting water from its natural flow patterns, forcing it to accumulate in deep pools... (that deep pool would be the bazillion m3 of floodwater pooling north and east of BKK).
... the decision to build BKK in a floodplain was made in the 18th Century, far before the study of hydrology evolved... and on major rivers is historically where most old cities are founded, so understandable.
... and in the 18th Century, Thailand was agricultural and unaffected by the modern development that has destroyed natural drainage patterns.
... however... building drainage barriers (roadways, railways, housing estates, industrial parks, etc.) in the pathway of nature's historical drainage patterns, on 'cheap' floodplain land, and without effective mitigations are modern-day decisions made by little better than village cretins... (it's the in-breeding by the privileged elite Thai families... a cultural thing that persists into modern time... Google inbreed+Thailand, and prepare to be impressed).
... on the issue of disease... sure... you bet... it is all here... a large, concentrated population... trillions of vectors (mosquitos)... and, millions of stranded Thais swimming about in a Petri dish the size of f***ing Delaware, filled with a perfect growth medium - warm, stagnant, fetid water, filled with yummy nutrients like rat urine, mongo turds, and dead, bloated animals (the ones that have not been collected and sold in the Khlong Toey market).
... a buddy and epidemiologist with the CDC here, and his entire research team, were pulled by the CDC off of their HIV/AIDS research work, and redeployed to prepare for disease threats... he explained that the Thai Ministry of Health stopped issuing them "incident reports", reporting infection rates (cholera, malaria, dengue, Japanese encephalitis, etc.), which is interpreted as Thai avoidance of an uncomfortable truth... (the start of tourist season and all, you know?).
... (recommend buying mosquito repellent, in case there is a run).
... keep in mind where we are, guys... in terms of a culture and society, Thailand is easily mistaken for Sub-Saharan Africa... can anyone who lives here be surprised by all of this?.. anyone?.. really?
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Posted on: 4:43 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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Kaymanx
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Magnum,
You provide some explanation to what was disturbing me, namely that historically cities have been built on river banks and therefore the location of Bangkok in itself was not the stupid mistake it is made out to be but rather the latter day city building that happened in the last few decades of modernisation without thought to the river's needs.
Surprising, I think, that this would happen in an Asian nation because the worship of Natural Elements is a primary starting point to all economic activity across mystic Asia. You can see massage shop and gogo girls begin their workday or worknight with the burning of incense sticks and feeding the Buddha. We have all seen the massage girl poised at our feet doing a wai with closed eyes before commencing her massage.
The monks and the experts of traditional architecture (Feng Shui, Vastu, etc) have, as their prime responsibility, the task of advising builders, for example, on whether the suggested architecture pays due respect and affords leeway to the Elements, such as letting in Light and Air, or appropriately directing the flow of Water (fresh water as well as drainwater), or aligning ourselves correctly with Magnetic currents. Much of that is still not understood. Yet the practice abounds across Asia and although crass commercialisation has debased traditional architecture everywhere Thailand had always been seen as more rooted in tradition when compared to her neighbourhood. But then again, as you say, "can anyone who lives here be surprised by all of this?"
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Posted on: 5:38 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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Oz
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I have just come from the Airport, Traffic not so good (about 45 Minutes to the Suk Soi 15), but dammed if I could see any sign of Water. Yes lots of shops in the Suk with 1 or 2 rows of Sandbags but not much else?
Will report on the more interesting parts of Soi 21 & 33 later...
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Posted on: 6:48 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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apollo
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Evaporation is dependent on air humidity... Thailand has high humidity even in the winter months, it is never bone dry as in Alaska.. this wont evaporate, it must be drained by 3 rivers, and from what I can tell, only one is really doing most of it.
I have posted news from The Nation - Thailand is very much aware of the danger the flood has on health... not much can be done though, mosquitoes will be the little problem of them all (not that there will be few of them... there will be many.. big size, and yes, they can pass very bad things from one person to another...).
I have contacted my hotel.. they provided me pointers to some news sites etc. - but of course did not say I should come nor that I should not... they just say to monitor carefully the situation and the news... they are my friends I know all of them well....
Ap.-
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Posted on: 7:20 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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China Sailor
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Evaproation, is not an option.... never was. I was just tying in to BK's previous post.
Magnum, you are correct about the location of BKK, but it is a fact that there are soil types that contain more water than what would be considered 'normal' soil.
Take New Orleans for example (and I am not talking about post-Katrina). No one is buried underground in New Orleans proper but are put in above ground crypts. The high content of water in the soil prevents the digging of graves.... in fact during Camille some of the coffins buried in Chalmette National Cemetary (east of New Orleans) actually popped out of their graves due the the amount of water absorbed in the soil.
The situation in BKK is not too different than that of New Orleans. The land it is built on is silt and mud washed down Chao Praya which by its nature will retain a huge amount of water.
Now for the Katrina reference.... it took several weeks for New Orleans to dry out and that was with specially designed underground canals and pumping systems that (though overwhelmed during Katrina) have provided effective drainage for the city since the 1930's.
Bangkok does not have these systems, it still depends on natural drainage which takes time. And even though BKK 'dodged a bullet' when the tropical depression heading its way turned north to aim at Hanoi, the threat exists.
To give you the scope of the problem, CNN (International) is reporting that the companies that operate in the industrial parks north of Bangkok do not expect to be 'dry' before Janurary  .... that is how long it will take for the water to run off and the mud to dry out...
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Posted on: 9:32 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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apollo
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But They have many pumps, not just "...depends on natural drainage which takes time."
The problem to control the vast system of canals and rivers is a complex math problem of optimization and is based on many factors, including where the rain came, the dams control over the rivers etc. This was the key error to start with since it was done by humans, and simply that cannot be effective. They need install a computerized system to effectively control this. The dams did not release water at max rate during the begining of the heavy rain, and then they release the wrong ones on the wrong rivers etc
Lets hope the 100s of pumps they get will help push the water faster... and not just rely on the "natural drainage" as you write... which is almost as BK's joke that they rely on evaporation...
Ap.-
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Posted on: 10:14 am on Nov. 8, 2011
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