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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Hermanolobo on 5:31 pm on Jan. 27, 2006
Daffy I wish your view point were true ?
It is - you either don't have enough money (to the point where it does not matter), or you keep meeting the wrong girls.
My point - of course money is important to these (if not, all) girls, but all things being considered, they would rather spend time with a cheap charlie like CG (Ha!), who treats them well, and allows them to feel like normal girls, than a guy who might pay them more, yet treats them like a piece of meat.
In some cases, a girl may prefer to spend time with a guy who treats her well, and not take a satang, versus and asshole who pays her going rate.
At the end of the day, mind you, the girl MUST make some money to support herself, her family, or whoever -- I consider it our job to understand that reality of life, and to accomodate it without giving it a second thought (i.e., take care of your girl, so she knows she doesn't have to worry about it, and she will return the favor in multiples.)
Incidentally, the same methods (trust, care, etc...) work well to train dogs...
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Posted on: 12:32 am on Jan. 28, 2006
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expatchuck
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 2:19 pm on Jan. 28, 2006
Quote: from Hermanolobo on 5:31 pm on Jan. 27, 2006
Daffy I wish your view point were true ?
My point - of course money is important to these (if not, all) girls, but all things being considered, they would rather spend time with a cheap charlie like CG (Ha!), who treats them well, and allows them to feel like normal girls, than a guy who might pay them more, yet treats them like a piece of meat.
Dafty:
I am curious as to how you might have arrrived at the assumption that most girls would rather spend time with a cheap charlie (CG is NOT one, by the way) than to be paid the going rate?
For our edification, how much research have you personally done on this subject? How many trips to LOS, etc. In other words, what are you basing this assumption on?
I feel just the opposite and have been going to LOS for nearly 30 years. My personal opinion is that these girls are in the business to support their family up-country, a motorcycle driving boyfriend locally or a bad habit.
I see nothing wrong with only the first of these reasons but I have known none of them that are willing to bypass the monetary remuneration even though I treated them well and with respect.
To be honest with you, I never expected any of them to forego the financial rewards just because I might be a nice guy.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 2:01 am on Jan. 28, 2006
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Hermanolobo
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 2:19 pm on Jan. 28, 2006
Quote: from Hermanolobo on 5:31 pm on Jan. 27, 2006
Daffy I wish your view point were true ?
It is - you either don't have enough money (to the point where it does not matter), or you keep meeting the wrong girls.
expatchuck-
I agree with you so it has to be said,"Dafty, where do you find these good women ??"
I rather like the bad ones ?
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Posted on: 4:26 am on Jan. 28, 2006
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ColoradoGuy
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This is the remark that started this money vs. fun discussion.
Quote: from Minder on 11:05 am on Jan. 27, 2006
You really think that "Noi" wants the book keeping firm she works for and the world at large to know that she does farangs for under a $1000 baht a night???!!!??? (Yes CG I worked it out - you cheap charlie you).
FWIW, that pay is 1000 baht, and it is for short-time. I've never taken 'Noi' long-time, there is no way she would stay LT with me, she probably has a Thai husband or boyfriend or lives with someone who does not know she does this for money.
My comment was pertaining to the girls' view on herself. All I am saying is that 'Noi wants to feel like she has a "real job". Working in a bar, to some of these girls, might feel like a real job. Standing on Sukhumvit might not.
Is it all about the money with ALL of these girls? Every one? Well, I don't think it is, but I cannot tell for sure. I am not Thai, I do not think like a Thai and I can only scratch the surface of understanding Thai logic. For example, I cannot truly feel 'kreng jai' because I wasn't brought up as a buddhist in Thailand with 'kreng jai' as a concept interwoven throughout every belief taught to me as a child. This is also why someone like Dew cannot feel 'catholic guilt'.
I've met lots of girls who I can easily tell that for them, it is all about money. I've met girls who've given me every indication that money is completely unimportant. What do they really think? Not really sure, and I stopped thinking about it too much and just try to have fun with who I am with.
Finally, here is excerpt from a FR I wrote last year after a great time with a girl called Rain (fun night, sex in the swimming pool, etc.) :
Quote: from ColoradoGuy on 2:55 pm on May 13, 2005
I wake her and tell her I have to work, she can stay until she wants to leave, she says "don’t forget to leave me my money" and she goes back to sleep. Straightforward, honest, different. Do I like? Maybe.
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Posted on: 7:03 am on Jan. 28, 2006
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Minder
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CG - Agree 100%. Have fun and don't think too much. By all means be a nice guy, show some style but have fun doing it.
Your point about upbringing and Western and Thai values is worth noting. IMHO "Noi" sees no shame in what she is doing since Thai society does not know about it - therefore it is the same as it never having happened - and you cannot be ashamed of something that never happens.
Now Western values would see it as wrong for her to be having sex for money, the shame being in the taking of the money, not in the sex since you are both consenting adults. Whose logic makes more sense?
IMHO the idea that any Thai girl can just drop what real job she is doing and start working as a BG does not take into account how interwoven Thai society is - the parents will be seen as failures by the neighbours and extended family - the 'kreng jai' you mention (moral debt, in this case to the parents) would itself prevent the girl from taking this path (openly).
It does happen of course. Bad girls from good familys. In most Pattaya go go I visited in December you could spot 1 or 2 non-Isaan types. "Jai taek" or Broken hearts is the term that refers to these bad good girls.
Perhaps the true appeal of Thailand is in knowing that we will never really understand it or its occupants 100% and therefore the allure of the "mystery" will always be there for us.
Your girl who said "don't forget my money" I'd call that tacky and bordering on insulting - I bet "Noi" has more style. Good luck to you both. Enjoy.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:29 am on Jan. 29, 2006
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manowar
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CG and minder, very good points. When you are a foreigner in any country, you can never truly and fully understand all the cultural nuiances of that country. When I go to LOS, I just enjoy, smile a lot, do not argue, protect myself but still try to be a nice guy. There were two ugly incident over many trips to LOS. And both were business transaction with Thai guys. As for Thai girls, yeah, I had starfish, I had nymphs, I had p4p and nonp4ps, I had uni, MPs, FLs, gogos. G-clubs.......and everything in between, but nothing really bad happen financially or emotionally. So either I am doing something right, or TG's are angels to the world of us mongers. That's why I could not understand how anyone can be going to LOS for that many trips and had hundreds of TGs and never had a good experience. Time to look into the mirror and see if that person in the mirrion was the problem.
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Posted on: 11:53 am on Jan. 29, 2006
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from expatchuck on 3:49 pm on Jan. 28, 2006
I am curious as to how you might have arrrived at the assumption that most girls would rather spend time with a cheap charlie (CG is NOT one, by the way) than to be paid the going rate?
a) In case there is confusion (and in case the 'Ha!') was not obvious enough, the reference to CG being a cheap charlie was in jest. I sigh that I even have to explain that.
b) You need to brush up on your reading skills, and actually read the entire post you quoted part of, and to try to understand the point I was making. I'm not going to repeat or rehash it, as I was *very* clear in my original post.
Quote: from expatchuck on 3:49 pm on Jan. 28, 2006
I feel just the opposite and have been going to LOS for nearly 30 years. My personal opinion is that these girls are in the business to support their family up-country, a motorcycle driving boyfriend locally or a bad habit.
The beauty of opinions is that everyone can have one -- what you feel to be 'true' is no more correct than what my impressions are, simply because your's is based on different girls. Even if we experienced the exact same girls, our opinions would still differ, as it is likely that the girls would still treat us differently.
What do I base my 'findings' on? Decades of experience, and hundreds of trips to Thailand? Of course not - and neither of those would render my beliefs and opinions any more legit.
There are plenty of folks on this forum who go frequently to, or live in LOS, and still have no clue about these issues, just as there are folks who go infrequently who might have a better grasp on these issues. This has nothing to do with frequency, duration, or other variables -- but rather an understanding of human nature. So far, in my experience, I have been given no reason to assume that any of the girls in LOS that I have chosen to spend time with, are any different than what I have described. Again, as with everything, this is MY experience, based on the girls that I have chosen.
I am basing it on my experience, so maybe I have some magical formula to pick 'good' girls.... though I doubt it. It does, in the end, have to do in how you treat the girls, and if you have the right chemistry.
As with everything, your mileage may vary.
Quote: from expatchuck on 3:49 pm on Jan. 28, 2006
To be honest with you, I never expected any of them to forego the financial rewards just because I might be a nice guy.
To be honest, I don't believe I ever said they would.
Quote: from Minder on 1:16 am on Jan. 30, 2006
Your girl who said "don't forget my money" I'd call that tacky and bordering on insulting - I bet "Noi" has more style. Good luck to you both. Enjoy.
I would call it cute - these girls, just as everyone else, are the sum total of their experiences. On one hand, she most likely said this reminder, because punters in the past *have* forgotten to leave the money, and on the other hand, it seems she understands the value of compartmentalizing.
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Posted on: 12:42 pm on Jan. 29, 2006
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Ballsburstin
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DD,
Re: "On one hand, she most likely said this reminder, because punters in the past *have* forgotten to leave the money."
I was nearly guilty of that recently.
Was doing a "long" s/t with a friend of mine in BKK. I've known her a couple of years now, and we have great sex together. Met her originally at an oily (she's "retired" for the moment, probably has a sponsor or two). She's a tiny little thing, a real sweeheart and one of the tightest pussies on the planet... but I digress.
Anyway, we were doin' the wild thing one night, it was about midnight so we exited the s/t hotel and took a cab home. Her apt is on the way to mine, so we always share a cab. Saves her the fare, and we get to relax in the aircon together for a few more minutes, lol! About halfway down Suk, I noticed she looked a little troubled about something, and as my Viagra and sex-crazed brain started to clear, it suddenly occured to me that I'd forgotten to pay her. Shit! I whipped out my wallet, out of site of the cabbie, and discretely slipped her the Baht, along with an apology. She smiled and looked very relieved.
Thing was, it's such a complete GFE with this lady, it just felt like a date, lol! She sees it pretty much the same, but she does rely on the extra cash at the end of the month to pay the bills. She wouldn't have said anything, and would have simply let it drop, if I'd forgotten. I felt like an idiot, because I understand the nature of her situation; I'm sure if my TGF were to disappear, this particular lady would be knocking at my door the next day, lol! But she is well aware of my TGF, and has no desire to rock the boat. Likewise, I don't press her for details about what she's up to.
So, yep, even experienced punters can suffer from Old-Timer's disease occasionally. This one did.
- Balls
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Posted on: 1:01 pm on Jan. 29, 2006
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Minder
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Daffy - Point taken. The trouble with the written word is that is can be read differently by each reader. I saw what she said as dismissive whereas said with a smile, a wag of the finger and an implied "again" Mr BB it would be cute.
My regular BG in Phuket a few years ago would simply leave her handbag in open view for the money to be discreetly placed therein. Trouble was I was too discreet one night, didn't relocate the bag and for some reason placed the money in a notebook inside the bag.
The morning was worthy of a classic sit-com as she tried to maintain the GFE atmosphere AND hint loudly enough that it was time to pay up and stall till it happened - whilst I was in a hurry to get ready for the SCUBA dive pick-up and get her out of the room. It ended happily enough with red faces all around after I got it thru my thick head what the problem was. Getting a "wai" from a naked BG - now that IS cute. Enjoy.
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Posted on: 3:34 pm on Jan. 29, 2006
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Hermanolobo
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 2:30 am on Jan. 30, 2006
the other hand, it seems she understands the value of compartmentalizing.
She works in Robinsons ?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:45 am on Jan. 30, 2006
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