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I was in a Thai Air flight waiting onthe tarmac in Phuket while this plane crash landed. I personnaly blame the pilot ofthat aircraft. It was raining pretty good, but not that hard. The crosswinds were really a factor. Maybe a Thai pilot would know that the conditions change pretty quickly and would have circled a bit until the winds died of which they did.
The new name for this airlines is 1-2-Gone.
The experience of the total Phuket staff was that of incompetance. If you can imagine a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around you begin to get close to what was the situtation there.
People were never told there was an accident until it was seen on the news station TV's in the waiting area. No one was never told the flights were cancelled or the airport was closed.
In an emergency situtation in Thailand it is every man for himself. The only thing they cared about was raising fares. Budget airlines have to cut corners somewhere so they pay lower wages to the pilots and as always you can escape the Golden rule of life. "You get what you pay for"
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Posted on: 7:04 pm on Sep. 17, 2007
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PussyLover 69
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Report from The Nation dated Tuesday 18 September 2007 :-
34 of 89 victims of Sunday's plane crash identified
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Partial list of victims/Updated list of injured passengers/Full list of passengers/Useful telephone numbers
Thai authorities have released more list of victims of the Sunday's plane crash.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007...s_30049142.php
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Posted on: 7:07 pm on Sep. 17, 2007
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samsri
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I don't think that we will ever know the real cause of the accident. The Director general of the Civil Aviation Department here is a close friend of Khun Udom. For many years he helped him cover up issues related to Orient-Thai's safety and airplane maintenance. His son did work for some time at Orient-Thai (I think he is now with Nokair - so watch out).
Also do not forget that the real causes of previous crashes were covered up or at least tweaked. It's going to be either the weather, the manufacturer or or maybe Thaksin.
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Posted on: 9:01 pm on Sep. 17, 2007
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ThaidUp
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Of course it was bad weather and it is the pilot's call to land the plane or not. Given Indonesian's stellar safety record..NOT it was the pilot's fault.
Maybe another pilot could have safely landed the plane maybe not, but in the judgement phase the pilot screwed up. He should have just circled around for a while for the conditions to get better, but he probably would have been docked the extra jet fuel iout of his pay.
I wonder have many people will be flying the 1-2-Gone airlines in the future? Given the superstitious Thai's I would venture not many of them will be.
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Posted on: 10:12 pm on Sep. 17, 2007
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China Sailor
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In this case TU is spot on.
Phuket is known for wind-shear conditions during thunderstorms due the the terrain.
Last year I flew up to Phuket on Silk Air. As we began a descending turn on to final, the pilot pulled up and made an 'S' turn out of the landing pattern. We proceeded to circle the ocean for another 15 -20 min.
The pilot announced that he aborted the landing as a thunderstorm was approaching the airport and the wind conditions made the landing unsafe. He also stated he intended to wait until safer conditions prevailed.
Of course the Singaporean passengers made noise about the delay but I was down with the pilot. Having experienced (and nearly crashed) during similar conditions in Louisville I was more than happy to wait.
The accident board will decide as it will but based on the footage and analysis I saw on BBC last night, I would book this as Pilot Judgment error...
EDIT IN: This quote just came in on CNN International:
One air traffic controller at Phuket airport said pilots were warned of possible wind shear, which is dramatic changes in wind speed and direction.
Thought so...
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Posted on: 2:15 am on Sep. 18, 2007
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ThaidUp
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CS did they actually show the plane crash landing on the BBC?
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Posted on: 2:31 am on Sep. 18, 2007
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China Sailor
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There was some form of video but it was not clear (it could have been from a runway monitor camera).
However they then showed a computer simulation of the landing that indicated that the pilot tried to abort landing but wind-shear pushed the aircraft into what appears to be the trees that seperate the airport from the Canyons Course at the Blue Canyon Country Club...
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Posted on: 3:30 am on Sep. 18, 2007
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At the time of this accident, I was sitting in my hotel (Phuket Airport hotel), which is only 600 metres from the airport terminal. The weather had been bad all day, with monsoon rain. But suddenly, very strong gusts of wind came from nowhere, blowing for about 20 minutes from west to east. This was an intense wind, with the rain cbeing blown almost horizontal. My (non-expert) view is that no plane could safely land in these atrocious conditions.
Simon
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Posted on: 9:27 am on Sep. 18, 2007
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shoke
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Letter written by a 1 2 Go pilot -
"Hi xxxx
Can you paste the following letter to the xxxx board site. I sent a copy to xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx, but have not seen a reply. Hope things are well with you.
Yeah, I thought the events of this crash is something I would share.
In my world it is absolutely heartbreaking. Those who remember, when xxxx
xxxxxx and I first came here, we understood immediately this event would
occur. That it took two years is amazing in itself.
Of course a company culture combined with crewmembers willing to
disregard safety standards made this crash predictable. One Two Go
disregards all Duty and Flight Time Limitations, required maintenance
inspections and weather mins. Again none of this can happen unless pilots
are culpable and the controlling authority looks the other way.
Am always asked why am I still here? There is no morally good answer.
In a self serving way, I felt I found my purpose in the summer of 2006. The
company began to hire ab initio Thai pilots. Their training was lacking.
I believed I could allow them to have experiences they would not receive
with anyone else, show them how to look at situations (approaches,
weather, fuel savings techniques) and think differently. Most importantly
how to save their lives from the incredibly inept Captains working for
One Two Go. As you learn the rest of the story, I failed. Am not sure I
will ever forgive myself.
To start with, the Captain, an Indonesian was the Chief Pilot. He had failed his medical early this year and was grounded for two months. It became established that he would fall asleep while at the controls.
Specially in the afternoon. The crash occurred around 3:40 pm. It was
documented that he became spatially disorientated with the Prime Minister
of Afghanistan on board the aircraft on an approach into Kabul. He was
removed from all subsequent flights. On two other occasions, First
Officers shared stories that they had to take control of the aircraft.
(Hearsay).
It will be established that fatigue was clearly a factor in this crash. Both Captain and First Officer exceeded flight time limitations the previous two days of the crash. They had flown 19+ hours in a 48 hour period while on duty for 30+ hours in the same period. The sequence was in part, International, with the final sector domestic. After completing the assignment, they were give 16 hours off and then assigned 6 sectors (legs) on the day of the crash and were assigned 6 sectors the day following the crash. The crash occurred on their 3rd sector. The First Officer was working his 8th consecutive day.
The First Officer was a Thai ab initio pilot. His name was Montri. A wonderful person, highly respected, well educated. He was an only son. He had worked as an engineer with Japan Airlines. He had interviewed and was given a class date with Thai Airlines this October. I had spent many hours with him, and his flying skills was above average for his experience level. The company was abusing him in that after sitting for months, he was called out to do his bounces and he failed. As a result, the company withdrew 500 dollars a month from his pay for his
re-training. On the ground, Montri protected me on at least one occasion. Another story for another day. Yeah, I still find trouble on the ground. Thinkin its that Southern California could not care less laid back attitude.
From here on anything written is pure speculation. I have learned from my own experiences that things are not always as they seem. It appears Montri recognized they were in a bad situation and attempted to go around. A lady friend of mine was in the tower at the time and said xxxxxx, xxxxxx (yes, we all know her) tried to go around but the plane would not fly.... Windshear, compressor stall (witnesses claim to have heard a loud bang) or just plain fatigue and lack of experience with an inept Captain. Who knows. Pictures show flaps 15, spoilers and thrust
reverser on the left side stowed. It appears they slammed onto the runway and slid off only traveling 60 meters. Som, the ATC lady said they hit around the 2,000 foot marker.
As I am writing this, I have been told that 2 cabin crew members have survived. xxxx, was the lead and am being told she is out of surgery. She always flirts with me and makes the old man smile. Yesterday and last night was very very tough. Cabin crew members begging to bring them home alive. It is the most helpless feeling I ever had. Much crying, pain and anguish. It is unbearable at times. I am both angry and sad. But time to put those feelings behind.
What happens now? Who knows, I am very tired, Have been exhausted for a long time and.... according to all here I get preferential treatment. Yeah, apparently I am the only one here who gets two consecutive days off every week. I can say that I do not fly illegally and do not knowingly fly unsafe equipment. I told them upfront, I do not and will not fly in the manner they are accustomed to. I also told them I will work hard and they will see things accomplished that perhaps they have never seen before. For two years, they have honored their part and for me, I will let my record speak for itself.
Sorry for being long. Thinkin this is my release. Much pain right now. Those people did not have to die. My friend Montri is gone. But there is joy in learning xxxxxx is alive. No one should have to experience this.
xxxxxxx, I can not feel the pain you losing your wife, but I can imagine a little more now how hard it must have been. I hope in some small way, the burden is lifting."
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Posted on: 3:15 pm on Sep. 18, 2007
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