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Quote: from expatchuck on 9:25 am on April 15, 2009
the yellow shirts were paid on a daily basis
so, if the Reds want more supporters, all they have to do is pay more
I am still guessing a lot of the Reds used to be Yellows
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:21 pm on April 14, 2009
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apollo
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Union pays small amounts to workers even in the USA when they go on strike and don't get paid salary. People need to live and eat. These are very poor people that really loved Thaksin who, for a change, did something for them, vs the previous elite PMs. They are the majority and they will win next if held fairly.
These people really cry and were very unhappy - its not the money they really feel a lose for them with current PM.
Yellow shirts wanted to have the King decide what is good for the people. They may not represent the King but used his name. They would preffer some appointed power brokers over the vote of the "uneducated" people from the north...
Time will tell...
Ap.-
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:28 pm on April 14, 2009
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LocalYokul
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Quote: from apollo on 11:28 am on April 15, 2009
its not the money
I disagree
if it's not about the money, then why is Toxin paying them 500b/day ?
some may have real convictions, but w/o the payments, there would be a lot less supporters, especially after bullets start flying
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:33 pm on April 14, 2009
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apollo
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These are poor people if they can get money why not. But don't get confused they are mostly devoted to Thaksin simply because he was the first and perhaps only one to do something for them.
Anyway, does not matter... they do want him back or a party to represent the people/ideas he had. So next elections that will happen unless it is again somehow changed (one way or another legal or not... this is LOS after all...)
Look at the movie from the Red Shirts surrender: http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/home/video_data/417/417/video/1285/1285.wmv the tears the sadness the aggony this cannot be bought with money, it is real.
Don't know why but I feel for these people more than for the elite
Ap.-
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:39 pm on April 14, 2009
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A good opinion From Bangkokpost
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/15050/thaksin-needs-change
Thaksin Needs Change
By: Atiya Achakulwisut
Published: 15/04/2009 at 12:00 AM
These past few days have felt like a nightmare, like groping for the way out in a deep, dark tunnel full of pitfalls.
But one thing has become clear: we now know why fugitive Thaksin Shinawatra made sure his children left Thailand. He did not want his kids, who recently claimed in a book that they'd suffered horribly from political harassment, to be in harm's way. Let other people's children face the mayhem. Has anyone ever looked into Thaksin's eyes? Could they tell anything about his soul? Does he have one?
As the tension and mayhem subsided, one voice remained in my head. It was that of a Nang Lerng resident. It sounded so young, full of anxiety and ambivalence; yet it was obvious the young man was trying his best to do his good citizen's job of calling the TV station and recounting the day's incident to the two anchorwomen.
His 19-year-old brother had been hit when drive-by shooters sprayed bullets into the neighbourhood, whose members had banded together to fight off red-shirted rioters who tried to set fire to tyres near their wooden houses. As he finished giving his account and the two anchors were about to cut him off, the young man made one last plea.
"Phi khrub," he said, "I still don't know how my little brother is doing. If you'd please check on him for me, could you?"
The genuine anxiety in his voice made the whole thing even more tragic. This was a young voice you'd associate with what is bright and beautiful in life, with a future and its many promises. The kind of voice you wouldn't want broken by tragedy.
The anchorwomen promised they would and asked him his brother's name. Yuthakarn, the youth replied. Soon after, the breaking news came up. Two deaths had been confirmed from the Nang Lerng clash. One of them was a 19-year-old male named Yuthakarn.
I want to say that Thaksin, who instigated the mob and whipped them into this frenzied state so that they'd smash things down enough to pave way for his return to power, is responsible for the young man's death and for the melee that essentially turned Bangkok into a war zone. How does he intend to redeem the lives lost? He cannot. And that makes what he's done hideous.
Was the Sept 19 coup bad for Thailand? Definitely. Was it wrong for our democratic development? Certainly. Does it offer justification to incite people, rouse them with hate speeches and blatant lies and then let them loose to wreak havoc on ordinary citizens and public property? Absolutely not.
Was the coup necessary as a wake-up call for the all-too-powerful army to realise that the age of their intervening in politics through staging coups d'etat was over? Maybe. We haven't had another coup, despite the prolonged political tension and open rioting.
It may have taken a long time, probably longer than many are willing to give it, but if the Sept 19 putsch serves as the last nail in the coffin of military coups in Thailand, would it have been worth it after all? Instead of trying to redo the past and get tangled in all its complexity, would it be wiser to use it to put a final stop to the practice and think of it as a stepping stone to a more democratic future? Isn't that what demonstrators of every colour want?
Everybody can blame a bad childhood. Those who are smart, however, waste no time moping. They gather up the pieces and move on.
The Abhisit administration may have won the first major battle with the red shirts but the seeds of discontent have taken root. The strength of the resistance - both those who support Thaksin for who he is and those who support him for what he is fighting against - should prompt whoever is thinking they can control it by force, to think twice. These people can't be dismissed. The government must find a way for their grievances to be taken into account, their cries for change heard and heeded, or it faces a long and belligerent war.
Democracy is ultimately about fair compromise. It is obvious now that Thaksin neither knows nor respects that philosophy. He wants it all. If he can't have it his way, he'd rather destroy and burn it all. That is who he is.
It will be a long road to rebuilding the country, bruised and burned in the Songkran skirmish. Again, the future might appear like walking in a deep, dark tunnel not knowing which direction to go and where the snags and perils are. But without the pixelated apparition of demagogue Thaksin Shinawatra inciting people and misleading them about what democracy is - now that his selfish motive and cruel intention have been laid bare - at least we won't feel so haunted.
Atiya Achakulwisut is Editorial Pages Editor, Bangkok Post
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:56 pm on April 14, 2009
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S M E G M A
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Quote: from apollo on 9:09 pm on April 13, 2009
This thread is for evidence where killing of Red Shirts happened....
With the fighting over, what will you now do with all your evidence? Where are you going to take it?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:39 am on April 15, 2009
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Quote: from apollo on 11:28 am on April 15, 2009
They are the majority and they will win next if held fairly.
Yes, win they may. But somehow, the way I recall it, it was not enough for Thaksin to simply win fairly. Or else why did he and his party resort to cheating (ege vote buying) ? He wanted more than he would have got, and that is where the recent problem started.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:52 am on April 15, 2009
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expatchuck
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Smegs:
Having lived in up-country village life for some time now, I have discovered that all sides buy the votes
My wife said her cousin was taking money from every candidate for office (usually 500 baht). She said he then had a party on election day, got drunk and never even voted. This, somehow, is poetic justice.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:52 am on April 15, 2009
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S M E G M A
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LOL. I guess then they all deserve each other.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:06 am on April 15, 2009
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Quote: from apollo on 9:09 pm on April 13, 2009
This thread is for evidence where killing of Red Shirts happened....
So, now that things are calming down, maybe you'd like to point us to the list of the 'many many people that died', so we can see for ourselves.
So far, the only deaths we have are a couple of civilians shot by red shirts, because they tried to stop them from setting their houses on fire.
Oh wait, let me guess - it's all being covered up and buried in the number of Songkran traffic deaths, right?
You're a real apollo-gist, aren't you?
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Songkran road accidents' death toll rises to 272 after five days
A total of 272 people were killed in road accidents from April 10 to Tuesday, the Road Accident Centre announced Wedeneday.
Chaliew Yusimarak, a member of the Road Accident Committee, said 3,375 other people were injured during the period.
On Tuesday alone, 638 accidents occurred, killing 52 people and injuring 717 others.
The Nation
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:56 am on April 15, 2009
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