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China Sailor
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Gotta call you on that one Yurune. The busiest airport based both on Aircraft Movements (takeoffs and landings) and Passenger Volume is Atlanta's Hartsfield Airport: Busiest Airports The Atlanta Airport has 5 runways: Atlanta Hartsfield Airport The joke is that to when you die, no matter where you go it will be through Atlanta Airport...
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Posted on: 10:53 am on Jan. 26, 2007
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Quote: from China Sailor on 1:17 am on Jan. 27, 2007 The Atlanta Airport has 5 runways:
How are you 'calling' Yurune on his statement that two airports are sufficient, by listing one airport with 5 runways? More to the point, if we go down the list of other contenders for 'busiest airport', we find: Frankfurt : 2 runways Gatwick : 2 runways Heathrow : 2 runways Narita International : 2 runways and then, on the other end, there's : O'Hare, with 6 runways. ...and Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson only became the busiest due to the FAA shifting traffic away from O'Hare (the sixer above). Plenty of airports seem to be doing well with just 2 runways.
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Posted on: 12:31 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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China Sailor
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Get out your reading glasses Duck, Yurune wrote: ...the largest International Airport in the world only has two functional airways (it has a 3rd, but it is only emergency use). It has 4 terminals and a fifth being built. That fifth is the largest ongoing construction project in Europe. It will still function with 2. My point, you don't need more than two runways, and not many airports have more than two... I was calling him on two points: 1. Heathrow is not the worlds buisest airport though they claim they will be once Terminal 5 is open. 2. Second is that the buisest Airport uses 5 runways. Now as to the need for runways the determining factors are total aircraft movement/hr, environmental factors such as the consistancy of prevailing winds, and political factors such as noise abatement. If a Airport is open 24/7 (such as cargo hubs) then two runways is probably enough (though Memphis, which is the buisest cargo airport in the world, has 4 runways) but if an airport does most of its business between 0630 and 2030 (such as Atlanta), it may need more runways. So I guess the third point is that there is no 'one size fits all answer'. BTW: Duck in makes no difference if the FAA moved traffic from O'Hare (which currently has 7 runways) to Hatrsfield, Hartsfield is now the busiest airport...
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Posted on: 1:11 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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Yurune
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Busiest International Airport, handles most International flights..... I didn't say busiest airport...... anyway.....certainly a lot bigger than Suwarnabhumi and certainly operating with two runways.
The Biggest Airport in the World Taken literally as the airport which takes up the most land mass, this is the King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. It takes up some 81 square miles - an area larger than many cities. Trivia: This airport has four terminals, yet only three have ever been used. The second biggest airport in the world is Denver International, which takes up 53 square miles. By comparison, London Heathrow takes up around 3,000 acres, or just 4.7 square miles. The Busiest Airport in the World This depends on whether you monitor aircraft movements (the numbers of take-offs and landings), or passenger numbers. An airport such as Washington National may have relatively high aircraft movements, but as the largest aircraft it handles is a Boeing 757, it handles relatively fewer annual passengers than other airports with similar movements. Movements and passenger numbers are both acceptable methods of determining the "busiest" airport, although passenger numbers is the generally quoted figure. Most Passenger numbers Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson is the busiest airport in the world, handling 76.7 million passengers in 2002. Atlanta overtook Chicago O'Hare in 1998, and is now significantly ahead. Chicago handled 66.6 million passengers in 2002. Busiest International Airport London Heathrow handles the most international passengers (as opposed to passengers on domestic flights, which make up the majority of traffic at US airports). On an overall scale, Heathrow ranks third behind Atlanta and Chicago. Busiest City (all airports) When the flights from all airports in a city are combined, London is the busiest aviation centre in the world. Only London, Tokyo and New York have two airports in the top 30 worldwide. Combining New York's JFK (29 943 084) and Newark (29 202 654 ) still does not reach the same level as London Heathrow. Despite being the major international gateway for Japan, Tokyo Narita (28 883 606) is overshadowed by the mainly domestic Haneda (61 079 478). This puts Tokyo on a relatively even keel with Heathrow (63 338 641) and Gatwick (29 628 423). When Stansted (18 750 000), Luton (6 500 000), and London City (1 500 000) are added on top, London handles a total of almost 120 million passengers annually.
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Posted on: 3:03 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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madfrog
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And crappiest airport awards go to....Suwanapoom? Madfrog
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Posted on: 3:41 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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China Sailor
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I understand your point Yurune but I fail to understand how that applies to the issue of runway capacity. Because Heathrow receives a large number of Jumbo Jets from several different countries this bumps up the number of international arrival passengers which affects terminal capacity. However in aircraft movements (which reflect the actual runway use) Heathrow rates 17th and has a little more than half the aircraft movements of either Hartsfield or O'Hare. In fact such powerhouses as Sky Harbor (Phoenix, AZ) and Charlotte-Douglas (Charlotte, NC) have more aircraft movements per year than Heathrow (1995 is the most current information) : Buisest Airports (Traffic Movement) As for whether Suwarnabhumi needs more than two runways I guess the answer is obvious given that aircraft were being diverted to U-Tapao for refueling because of a lack of runway capacity. As you always have to count on one runway or another being closed on occasion (Accident, Maintenance) maybe Suwarnabhumi needs one of those Emergency Runways like Heathrow has...
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Posted on: 3:47 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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Yurune
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FYI If Heathrow uses it's emergency runway, the other two cannot be used. It crosses them.
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Posted on: 9:20 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from China Sailor on 3:35 am on Jan. 27, 2007 Get out your reading glasses Duck
My bad, sorry about that - but he did say 'international' :-P
Quote: from Yurune on 5:27 am on Jan. 27, 2007 anyway.....certainly a lot bigger than Suwarnabhumi and certainly operating with two runways.
Confused, didn't Suvarnhabhumi claim to be the largest airport (though based on what criteria) ?
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Posted on: 9:22 pm on Jan. 26, 2007
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Saturday 27 January 2007 :- Suvarnabhumi Airport officially unsafe ============================ Aviation authorities have refused to extend an international safety certificate for the Suvarnabhumi Airport, a senior official said Saturday. With runway and tarmac repairs at the new airport still under way, the Department of Civil Aviation decided Friday not to renew its interim safety certificate, which expired a day earlier. The airport can, however, continue to operate without the license. Somchai Sawasdeepon, the airport's general manager, said the airport has yet to set up a safety committee as required by the International Civil Aviation Organization because authorities are "busy resolving other problems." Mr Somchai said the issue will be discussed at the next board meeting. He said that he was confident the certificate will be renewed after the safety committee has been established. Local newspapers have reported that some foreign pilots raised concerns about safety issues at the Suvarnabhumi, but Mr Somchai said such fears were not voiced at a meeting of airline representatives on Friday. The International Civil Aviation Organization has made it a requirement for international airports to hold an Aerodrome Certificate -- aimed at standardizing global airport operations. Suvarnabhumi can nonetheless continue to operate without the certificate because it has yet to incorporate that requirement into law.
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Posted on: 1:02 am on Jan. 27, 2007
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Saturday 27 January 2007 :- Authorities mull return to Don Muang Airport ============================ The government and airport executives are considering whether to reopen Bangkok's 90-year-old airport at Don Muang as attempts to fix the brand-new Suvarnabhumi Airport are causing disruption. On Saturday morning, one of the two runways was closed for repairs. About 100 cracks were found at the new airport's taxiways and runaways and damaged sections are being closed off while repair work is carried out. Transport Minister Admiral Thira Haocharoen told reporters the possibility of moving some flights back to Don Muang is being considered, especially for point-to-point domestic flights. Don Muang was decommissioned as Bangkok's main airport in September when the new airport was officially opened but support for reopening the Don Muang facility is gaining momentum as more troubles are reported at Suvarnabhumi. The minister said that the move would speed up the repair work and help ease traffic congestion at the new airport, adding that government agencies and airline executives will discuss the issue next week. Adm Thira maintained that Thailand would not shut down Bangkok's spanking new US$3.8 billion international airport completely. He admitted there were doubts about whether it was appropriate to carry out repair work in sections before a detailed study of the damage at the new airport has been completed. The cabinet on Tuesday decided to convene a panel of "independent" experts to determine how serious the cracks are and what has caused them. The head of the panel is a board member of Airports of Thaland, which runs the facility. The airport, which was officially opened in September, was designed to handle 45 million passengers a year. The minister said problems at Suvarnabhumi would not only disrupt air traffic for several weeks, but also undermine the confidence of both the public and airlines. More disruption was forecast for Saturday as the airport's east runway was closed from 2 to 6 a.m. for repairs, said Passakorn Surapipith, deputy director of the Suvarnabhumi Airport. He added that the 40 incoming and outgoing flights scheduled would use the west runway.
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Posted on: 1:07 am on Jan. 27, 2007
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