| |
CafeDelMar
|
While certainly Islam isn't bad, then again, even books that tell you how to commit a murder or theft couldn't be considered bad, the people who tend to follow the religion in a "fundamentalist" fashion often seem to cause a lot of problems.
Chechnya, Serbia, Middle East, Indonesia, Southern Thailand, my France.
Did you know that in France it is an open secret among reporters that they should never critisize Muslims in the press and no artist ever creates satire comics of Palestanians doing anything bad (like the French did when they drew Sharon eating Palestanian babies)... you know why? Because they openly say, they don't want a fatwa issued.
So much for an unbiased press. Also, what type of relations can we have with these fanatics if the very moment they feel their religion or world is threatened by words or humiliated in some way that they are ready to issue fatwas and have millions of nutcases ready to kill you? Salman Rushdie comes to mind. Last I heard, he isn't allowed on Air France, Air Canada and some other flights. If I remember, there were protests on the streets calling for his blood. Most of the protesters didn't even no how to read English or didn't read the book!
You have to remember some of the people who are causing this trouble (and I am not talking about the 99% of peaceful Muslims) will not listen to logic. You cannot have a peaceful discussion with fanatics.
I just hope this doesn't escalate into BKK and cause another Bali.
|
Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:55 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
kev29ie
|
what really f_cked the Shah was not that he was repressive (as he was), but that he slackened some areas of repression through liberalisation (especially the status of women) and renounced the wearing of the chadour and veil. The Mullahs pointed to the weakening of their religion (as it weakened their hold over people) and used the examples of his liberalisation as indications that he was weak, and being lead by the satanic forces of the west.
It was through those messages that the ayatollah's followers, lead by the mullahs, revolted and disposed the Shah.
Carter did indeed write a book on the Middle East, but it made him as competent an expert on the subject as Princess Fergie on dieting when she wrote a book on that.
|
Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 2:27 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
Ballsburstin
|
Damn, another Fundamentalist Fergie basher in our midst, lol!
- Balls
|
Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:45 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
fastmover
|
Hzink said...."FastMover said - 'Cutting down teenagers, no matter how manical, can never be rationalized.' Just because we consider, in our wetsern culture, humans between 11 and 19 to be somewhat 'different' for being 'teenagers' does not mean the same rule applies in other cultures. Think outside the box, please."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Think outside the box? Well lets think back to early days of the American West and how the Army would cut down Native Indians, or perhaps back to African Colonial days when European armies cut down lightly armed tribesman, or even earlier days of the Spanish Conquistadors who cut down whole civilizations.
Check the newspapers hzink. 'Slaughter' is the word. That is what the Western papers are saying...so that is what will be drilled further into young impressionable Muslim minds.
You can never, ever validate that kind of killing.
You of course remember a certain Square in Beijing
back in June of 1989?.......'Think outside the box'?
There is no need, when the kids and
teenagers are 'inside ' the box.
Any culture, any race, any time in history,
it never, ever comes out 'right'.
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 7:48 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
hzink
|
Quote: from expatchuck on 12:37 am on April 30, 2004
Khomeini, by the way, had been living in exile in France and Iraq for 17 years prior to his return.
Reza Pahlevi's biggest mistake - being 'nice' and letting Khomeini live in exile. Nice to see how Khomeini showed his appreciation. It's something the US simply has NEVER understood, and probably never will - that people of a diffferent culture, particularly the middle-eastern cultures, do not think like western folk. Worse, that concepts of 'trust' are simply foreign to them.
|
Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:05 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
CiaoCiao
|
Quote: from Vancouver Jay on 8:49 pm on April 29, 2004
No, let's just broaden the scope.
Death to everybody.
Or maybe just death to everybody that isn't enough like me.
That's what it always comes back to anyway, so let's just dispense with bullsh*t trappings of religion and political theory.
Sad.
|
Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:29 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
JHolmesJr
|
Was looking at a Reuters photo of the incidents in South Thailand yesterday and it looked totally set-up.
In the foreground lies a young, scrawny and dead extremist, he looks like he has just delicately keeled over off his motorbike and he is still holding a camping knife clutched in his hand like a sword.
If he was shot by a high calibre automatic weapon while riding his bike, surely the bike would've skidded and he wouldn't be holding onto that knife still.
Surely they could have rigged a better shot, who do they think they're dealing with, amateurs?
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:51 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
hzink
|
FastMover - why don't we throw the Nazis in to your list of inappropriate comparisons, just for good measure?
Seriously, you have now gone into emotional argumnetation, as you are no longer taking facst into considerations, and simply throwing examples of emotional, though not rational, weight into this to fortify your point, thus making this pointless.
a) "Think outside the box" of your own cultural indoctrinations. That's what I meant.
b) Regarding your comparatives:
"Well lets think back to early days of the American West and how the Army would cut down Native Indians"
Imperialist slaughter, theft and genocide of the people that welcomed the colonist with open arms, initially - I fail to see any relevance to the situation in Thailand.
"or perhaps back to African Colonial days when European armies cut down lightly armed tribesman" - a situation similar to the above, when the colonizers felt no issue in slaughtering and killing those they felt were inferior, or not even human, with the intent of taking their land, and their resources. I fail to see the relevance to the situation in Thailand.
"or even earlier days of the Spanish Conquistadors who cut down whole civilizations" - again, with the intent of stealing their land, and their resources, gold - coupled with the same regard for these people's lives, and regarding them as less than human savages. Again, I fail to see the relevance to the situation in Thailand.
"You of course remember a certain Square in Beijing
back in June of 1989?....." - I must have missed that one. I don't recall any Chinese square in which armed protester and demonstrators rushed the military, and killed innocent civilians first, only to be beaten back by the gov't forces. Can you help me with the event you refer to, please..?
"You can never, ever validate that kind of killing."
We may have an issue of definitions, here - what *kind* of killing is that?
I think killing, just as any other actions, can very well be validated - it just depends on the party getting killed, and what they have done to cause their own death, or render it justifiable.
If you could grab 20 males of middle-eastern descent, and 'slaughter' them in a police action, would it be worth saving 3,000 innocent civilians that would otherwise have been killed? Would it be worth if you had to slaughter 200? 500? I'd be interested in your answer.
Personally, and I admit to being a bit extreme in this, but I can justify slaughtering 100,000 insane religious fanatics to protect 3,000 normal people, but that's just me.
I'd beinterested in your thoughts on this.
|
Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:53 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
CiaoCiao
|
Quote: from fastmover on 9:34 am on April 29, 2004
Cutting down teenagers, no matter how manical, can never be rationalized.
Disagree!
So please tell us, how would you handle an organized attack, in the midst of a series of extremist murders, with the intent of seizing police weapons for further violence? Would you ask them to sit down and discuss it over a beer? Would you check their weapons and either excuse those armed only with knives, or give them guns to make it more 'fair' - after all they had killed only 4 or five policemen and a bunch of monks and civilians? And would you check I.D.s and hold your fire for those that you found to be only 'teenagers'? Would you wave goodby to them after killing several of your friends and co-workers?
Glad you weren't in charge of defending the police stations and policemen during the attack.
You want to talk about the word "slaughter" that those liberal writers bandy about for their own agenda? Well, what these poor 'disaffected youths' did to the innocent monks - that's slaughter.
|
Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:48 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
CiaoCiao
|
Quote: from expatchuck on 8:37 pm on April 29, 2004
I agree...with the exception of Carter being knowledgable on the Middle East.
Among his long list of blunders was his disastrous handling of the Iran hostage rescue in Operation Eagleclaw. He apparently planned it with grandiose visions of it being made into an Entebbe-like TV movie - as Commander-in-Chief he foolishly let the Joint Chiefs talk him into a joint operation that would let them all get their expected 15 minutes of fame out of it.
The major problem with that strategy was that US military had never worked together in such an operation and it became a tactical nightmare. In addition, anxious for a stroke to salvage his failing presidency, he foolishly went ahead despite warnings about helicopter susceptibility to sand damage.
|
Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:24 pm on April 29, 2004
|
|
| |
|
