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Mr Alan
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Regarding the above post by Kaymanx:
The alleged human rights "violations" in the south by the Thai government were against Islamic separatists who are actively engaged in terrorist activities to split from Thailand and form their own nation. These Islamic terrorists have slaughtered many innocent people, including Western tourists.
The overall tone of your post (and your previous ones) is that "the end justifies the means", that overthrowing the democratic process was justified by the Yellow Shirts and those who perpetrated the military coup because of the reasons you enumerated above.
As should be evident to most members, I personally have rather conservative political views, and do not agree with the overall political agenda of the majority of Red Shirts (at least some of whom appear to have Marxist leanings). However, I have argued rather strongly on this forum that democracy should be restored and there is was no legitimate legal or constitutional justification in the first place for overthrowing the previously elected government and subsequently outlawing an entire political party. The reasons for that should be obvious now, i.e., once the toothpaste gets out of the tube, once democracy is no longer accepted and mob rule reigns, it is very, very difficult to get the toothpaste back in the tube.
Please, no more ridiculous rationalizations for why the government was overthrown a few years ago, leading up to the national tragedy that has occurred now. You either have democracy or you don't, you can't pick and choose when to accept it. The result is that after the chaos and coup of a few years ago, an even worse chaos has descended upon those who overthrew democracy in the first place, and things have gotten very ugly.
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Posted on: 10:45 am on May 20, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Thursday 20 May 2010 :-
15 dead, 98 injuries since May 19
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The Erawan Emergency Medical Centre reported 15 dead (including one Italian freelance reporter), 98 injuries since the clashes on May 19.
Since May 14, there were 52 dead, 401 injuries, 159 in general wards, 15 in ICU, 227 at home.
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Posted on: 10:54 am on May 20, 2010
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Kaymanx
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MrAlan,
You lack consistency in your arguments. On the one hand, you criticise what you perceive as my tone of end justifying the means. In the same breath you seem to defend Thaksin for adopting the same approach: "The alleged human rights "violations" in the south by the Thai government were against Islamic separatists who are actively engaged in terrorist activities to split from Thailand and form their own nation. These Islamic terrorists have slaughtered many innocent people, including Western tourists." So you justify the wanton killings in the south, huh ? And, how do you know they really were the separatists that got killed and not innocents ?
Ha! A man who uses democracy as his war cry, to please ears such as yours, should have displayed democratic behaviour during his own reign so as to retain a modicum of credibility. Not surprisingly, a lot of "keyboard warriors" have been championing his cause, deliberately deflecting talk and attention away from the vicious violence he has provoked his hordes into. As events have shown, you cannot talk reason to such a constituency. But you go on and on, waving the flag like you are the last vestige of democracy. What is so different, let me ask you, when a set of "democratic" extremists insist "there is only one god and that is democracy."
Contrary to your misinterpretation and misrepresentation I have never argued that the ends justify the means. The central theme in my arguments is that every country be allowed to work its own way through its own troubles without imposing your narrow and rigid textbook formula that worked for the west. Why do you convert a system of governance, that is just marketed too well by countries that have attained reasonable success with it, into an end in itself ? Democracy is not an end in itself. It is the means.
I have not been rationalising the past overthrow of the government. Read back again and marshal your arguments. I have been attacking the tendency of people like you who turn a blind eye to the violence and the insurgency, the militant extremism, the traitorous conduct of the lawless hordes, who besmirch the fair name of democracy by merely mouthing it while they insanely unleash death and destruction on ordinary people.
The tragedy that you refer to happened in one mad moment because the reds rejected the prime minister's offer to dissolve the house and hold fresh elections which, if you will care to recall, was their condition to end the protest. They changed colour. It was Abhisit's government that was democratic in holding out a solution.
Finally, you aimed your hot air at the wrong guy. The post to which you replied was not my creation. Figure that.
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Posted on: 1:33 pm on May 20, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Kaymanx on 1:33 pm on May 20, 2010
MrAlan,
You lack consistency in your arguments. On the one hand, you criticise what you perceive as my tone of end justifying the means. In the same breath you seem to defend Thaksin for adopting the same approach: "The alleged human rights "violations" in the south by the Thai government were against Islamic separatists who are actively engaged in terrorist activities to split from Thailand and form their own nation. These Islamic terrorists have slaughtered many innocent people, including Western tourists." So you justify the wanton killings in the south, huh ? And, how do you know they really were the separatists that got killed and not innocents ?
"Alleged" wanton killings. These are lies, like the lies you spew about me supporting Thaksin (which I never have done).
As to whether any innocent people have been killed when the military is trying to defend Thailand against Islamic terrorism, I don't know specifically, but I suspect that some innocents have been killed. Innocent people get killed in all wars, and even soldiers are killed by their own military by mistake in every war that I know of. But I do not believe for one second that the head of the Thailand government intentionally had innocent people killed, unlike the Islamic terrorists.
Speaking of killing people, one has to wonder why the Reds are setting fires and the other stuff. It appears to me it is because, unlike the Yellow Shirt demonstrations, the government decided to move against them with force and kill their leaders (like the Army General who supported the Reds that was shot and killed).
Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it is very hard to get it back in again. You anarchists should have thought of that when the Yellow shirts were allowed to bring down a democratically elected government and have a political party declared illegal.
The end does not justify the means, Yellow or Red.
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Posted on: 2:47 pm on May 20, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Friday 21 May 2010 :-
Clash death toll reported at 52
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The death toll from clashes between the troops and red-shirt protesters since May 14 to 19 has risen to 52, Erawan Centre reported.
A total of 407 people were injured during the six-day violent clashes, from May 14-19, of which 15 were now in the intensive care units of hospitals in Bangkok, the centre added.
The Wednesday’s violent crackdown left 15 people dead and 103 others wounded, according to the centre.
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Posted on: 9:47 pm on May 20, 2010
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Valetta
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It would be a mistake to conclude that the arson attacks on as many as 300 buildings in central Bangkok were supported by all Red Shirt supporters,or even a majority of them.
When the Red Shirt occupation was at its height some 300,000 supporters were in Bangkok.By the 18th May only about 5,000 remained in the area around Chit Lom.When it became clear to the Red Shirt leaders that an army attack was imminent they urged their supporters to go home,and informed them that their leaders intended to surrender themselves to the authorities.Consequently only a few hundred Red Shirt supporters remained when the army began its assault on the 19th May.
Only some of these few hundred were responsible for the arson which followed the army assault.Up until then the Red Shirt protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.
No political party,let alone a group of citizens having a variety of grievances,is made up of individuals all of whom share identical opinions.Most organisations are composed of individuals who have enough in common to work together,but who also hold opinions some of which would be held by only a small minority of them.
When the aims of the great majority of a group are frustrated,it provides an opportunity for the expression of minority non representative views,especially in the presence of violence.
I condemn the arson.There was no justification for it.But all the available evidence suggests that those responsible were a very small,unrepresentative minority of Red Shirt supporters.
However,it is not surprising that those opposed to the aims of the Red Shirts are doing their best to attach blame for the arson to all of the Red Shirts, in order to persuade the undecided among the Thai people that the Red Shirts are altogether unworthy of any decent person`s support.
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Posted on: 10:25 pm on May 20, 2010
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Yaa Right Val ! 
Thaksin's Paid for Red Army Terrorized Bangkok !
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"It would be a mistake to conclude that the arson attacks on as many as 300 buildings in central Bangkok were supported by all Red Shirt supporters,or even a majority of them.
When the Red Shirt occupation was at its height some 300,000 supporters were in Bangkok.By the 18th May only about 5,000 remained in the area around Chit Lom.When it became clear to the Red Shirt leaders that an army attack was imminent they urged their supporters to go home,and informed them that their leaders intended to surrender themselves to the authorities.Consequently only a few hundred Red Shirt supporters remained when the army began its assault on the 19th May.
Only some of these few hundred were responsible for the arson which followed the army assault.Up until then the Red Shirt protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.
No political party,let alone a group of citizens having a variety of grievances,is made up of individuals all of whom share identical opinions.Most organisations are composed of individuals who have enough in common to work together,but who also hold opinions some of which would be held by only a small minority of them.
When the aims of the great majority of a group are frustrated,it provides an opportunity for the expression of minority non representative views,especially in the presence of violence.
I condemn the arson.There was no justification for it.But all the available evidence suggests that those responsible were a very small,unrepresentative minority of Red Shirt supporters.
However,it is not surprising that those opposed to the aims of the Red Shirts are doing their best to attach blame for the arson to all of the Red Shirts, in order to persuade the undecided among the Thai people that the Red Shirts are altogether unworthy of any decent person`s support."
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Read This !  Bangkok's Post Mortem Aftermath !
Wounds will take a long time to heal !
http://www.bangkokpost.com/lite/topstories/178623/wounds-will-take-a-long-time-to-heal
77 deaths. Over 1,400 injured. Hundreds of billions of baht in losses. Our country’s image stained with blood and smoke and flames.
No one knows how long it will take to close the deep divisions that have opened within Thai families and society. No one knows if we can heal the deep wounds suffered over the past several years. The past five years have changed us — the country and its people — irrevocably.
But whatever our future, there is no doubt that all Thais — no matter what our personal beliefs and views — must play a role in ensuring that such a dismal state of affairs never happens again. We owe it to ourselves and our children to heal the wounds and feelings of injustice and inequality widespread within society.
The Red March — which rapidly grew into the Red Crisis — comprised of many elements. There were those who genuinely and passionately felt that for so long they had been abused. They believed — erroneously — that Thaksin Shinawatra had a magical elixir that would cure them of their of inequality and injustice, perceived or real. So heated was their passion they were prepared to fight and to die for it in the name of “democracy”.
Then there were the opportunists, who selfishly and without care of the results of their actions, acted on Thaksin’s behalf. Some felt the time was ripe to overthrow the Monarchy and usher in a new regime. Others marched due to lingering resentment of the 2006 coup.
If there is anything we must learn from the nightmare of the past five years it is that it will take years, if not a generation, to tend to the wounds, right the wrongs and reduce the gaps that have so divided us. Let us never forget — for Thais do easily forget.
But just as we should not forget the task ahead, we also should not forgive. The actions of some among the red shirts of the past several weeks were unconscionable, actions taken with full knowledge of their leaders and tacit approval by Thaksin to wreck havoc and destabilise the government, the country’s image and economy for their own aims.
Red shirt leaders have repeatedly, and conveniently, said they had no control over the unruly elements. But as leaders, they cannot deny responsibility for the protesters – whatever faction they belong to.
While it may be argued that some of the violent incidents can be attributed to inflamed passions over principles and beliefs — the torching of buildings, the shootings to prevent rescue operations and use of war weapons are heinous acts which are planned — someone organised it, someone funded it and someone supported it. And they must be punished.
and once again "Thaksin's Paid for Red Army Terrorized Bangkok ! creating both Death and Anarchy ! "
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Posted on: 10:56 pm on May 20, 2010
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S M E G M A
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He didn't say these words, but they sound as if Thaksin had spoken them (I changed the names to better illustrate) :
Okay," said Thaksin amiably, "Let's talk your lingo. Who is the public? If you go by quality - then it ain't you, Abhisit and it ain't Prem Tinsulanonda. If you go by quantity - then it sure is me, because quantity is what I've got behind me." His smile disappeared, and with a sudden, bitter look of weariness he added. "Only I'm not going to say that I'm working for the welfare of my public, because I know I'm not. I know that I'm delivering the poor bastards into slavery, and that's all there is to it. And they know it, too. But they know that I'll have to throw them a crumb once in a while, if I want to keep my racket, while with the rest of you they don't have a chance in hell. So that's why, if they've got to be under a whip, they'd rather I held it, not you - you drooling, tear-jerking, mealy-mouthed bastards of the public welfare! Do you think that outside of your college-bred pansies there's one village idiot whom you're fooling? I'm a racketeer - but I know it and my boys know it, and they know that I'll pay off. Not out of the kindness of my heart, either, and not a cent more than I can get away with, but at least they can count on that much. Sure, it makes me sick sometimes, it makes me sick right now, but it's not me who's built this kind of world - you did - so I'm playing the game as you've set it up and I'm going to play it for as long as it lasts - which isn't going to be long for any of us!"
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Posted on: 11:07 pm on May 20, 2010
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your ex-next Thai leader 
pure Anarchy ! how many lives lost and forever wounded ?