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Mr Alan
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Bangkok, Thailand (CNN) -- The Thai government on Sunday extended a curfew in the capital and nearly a third of the country's provinces for at least two more nights, but shortened the hours when residents are required to stay off the streets.
In his weekly television address, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said officials would extend the curfew, which had been scheduled to end Sunday morning. He said the curfew would stretch from 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. -- starting two hours later and ending an hour earlier than it had for the past three nights.
He said officials would review whether a curfew remained necessary in the coming days.
In his address, Abhisit repeated his push for national reconciliation. He said an independent fact-finding committee would review events that took place during the protests and officials would conduct a national survey to determine peoples' needs and wishes.
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Posted on: 3:33 pm on May 23, 2010
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DaffyDuck
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It's pretty obvious that Valetta is a Red sympathizer, who believes that the Reds should be allowed any crimes, as long as the ends justify the means.
Valetta, how do you justify the use of rocket launchers? of grenades? of firing upon fire fighters who tried to put out the blazes? of destroying good people's livelihood, shops and business? of putting 5,000 hard working people out of employment by burning down Central World (a premeditated, planned, act).
How do you justify Red leaders, on multiple occasions, inciting crowds to bring glass bottles and fill them with gasoline; inciting crowds to burn and loot buildings in Bangkok (listing specific buildings, including Siriraj hospital!).
How do you justify this?
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Posted on: 5:44 pm on May 23, 2010
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Valetta
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Daffy,your statement that "It`s pretty obvious that Valetta......believes that the Reds should be allowed any crimes,as long as the ends justify the means" is I believe a quite dishonest attempt to attribute to me not only views I do not hold,but views I am very much opposed to.
In both of my posts on 21 May I said "I condemn the arson.There was no justification for it."
What I argued in both posts was that the arson was the work of a small,and probably unrepresentative,minority of Red Shirts,because for almost the entire 2 months of their occupation of areas of Bangkok,their demonstrations had been peaceful.
In a subsequent post on the 23rd I said the government would be wise to take urgent steps to address the reasonable demands of the non violent majority of Red Shirts because if it did not,it was likely that the views of the extreme violent minority would gain more widespread support.
I do sympathise with some,but by no means all,of Red Shirt demands.For far too long have the people of Northern,and in particular North Western Thailand,been denied their fair share of the very considerable increase in wealth Thailand has enjoyed in the last 20 years or so.Thaksin`s popularity with Red Shirt supporters is due to the redistribution of national wealth he made in their favour.Anybody who values fairness, and equality of opportunity,would support that redistribution even if they were critical of the waste,and corruption, that accompanied many of Thaksin`s programs.
That I do not think the end justifies the means must be obvious from my posts that argued against Kaymanx`s endorsement of the concept of guilt by association,and his belief that the behaviour of the Red Shirt leaders was so reprehensible, the usual presumption of innocence in judicial proceedings should be reversed,and those leaders presumed guilty unless they could prove otherwise.
To achieve the end of convicting Red Shirt leaders the presumption of innocence, which protects the citizen from arbitrary abuse of state power,would be retrospectively set aside.It is my view that this would be too high a price to pay in terms of the precedent it would set.
Anyway Kaymanx if the guilt of all the Red Shirt leaders is as obvious as you say it is, the government will have no difficulty in placing overwhelming evidence of their guilt before the courts to secure convictions,even with the presumption of innocence.
And Daffy I do not justify the use of rocket launchers or any other weapons,violence towards fire fighters,or the destruction and loss caused by arson.In fact I condemn it.
Nor do I justify any incitements to violence by any Red Shirt leaders.In fact I condemn it.
It is my belief that violence is almost always counter productive in achieving aims which are basically fair and reasonable.Reasoned argument is far more likely to persuade the uncommitted.Violence will usually cause
the uncommitted,whose support is ultimately necessary to the achievement of those aims,to focus on all the loss and damage caused by violent protesters,and to reject their aims irrespective of any merits they may have.
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Posted on: 9:14 pm on May 23, 2010
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S M E G M A
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Quote: from Valetta on 9:14 am on May 24, 2010
Anybody who values fairness, and equality of opportunity,would support that redistribution...
Wrong! Many who value fairness and equal opportunities oppose "redistribution."
* "Any social movement which begins by “redistributing” income, ends up by distributing sacrifices."
* "Whoever claims the “right” to “redistribute” the wealth produced by others is claiming the “right” to treat human beings as chattel."
* "If a man proposes to redistribute wealth, he means explicitly and necessarily that the wealth is his to distribute. If he proposes it in the name of the government, then the wealth belongs to the government; if in the name of society, then it belongs to society. No one, to my knowledge, did or could define a difference between that proposal and the basic principle of communism."
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Posted on: 6:11 am on May 24, 2010
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Shredded Wheat
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Quote: from Valetta on 10:59 am on May 23, 2010
...The presumption of innocence in judicial proceedings is one of the most important concepts that differentiates a society that truly values and respects individual liberty from one that does not....
Mr V I feel I must challenge you on this.
I was under the impression that most of continental Europe uses a legal system that presumes guilt and under which it is for the accused to prove his/her innocence. Yet I am sure most people who live there do not feel this restricts their personal liberty.
I'm no historian or lawyer, but wasn't that the legal system the Romans used and isn't that why it is now rooted in most of mainland Europe's legal systems.
For example, the gift of the statue of liberty from France to the USA reminds me that one of the things the French revolution was supposed to achieve was liberty. Yet the French legal system presumes guilt. However, because of their revolution, I'm sure that French people probably feel that liberty is an important part of their heritage and a right they have. They probably do not feel their liberty is restricted although their legal system presumes guilt rather than innocence.
No doubt someone who knows about this stuff can put me right on it if it matters enough to them. Apologies to all if this post goes off topic.
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Posted on: 10:02 am on May 24, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Shredded Wheat on 10:02 am on May 24, 2010
For example, the gift of the statue of liberty from France to the USA reminds me that one of the things the French revolution was supposed to achieve was liberty. Yet the French legal system presumes guilt. However, because of their revolution, I'm sure that French people probably feel that liberty is an important part of their heritage and a right they have. They probably do not feel their liberty is restricted although their legal system presumes guilt rather than innocence.
I don't know much about the French legal system, but the French Revolution produced a lot of blood, not much liberty. Mao's cultural revolution had a lot in common with the aftermath of the French Revolution, sans guillotines (Chinese mostly used firing squads from what I understand).
I am sure you know that in the US, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and the government (in a criminal trial) has the burden of proof to demonstrate guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. A verdict of guilty must be unanimous.
For civil (non-criminal) cases in the US, a defendant can be held liable by the preponderance of the evidence (decidedly less than beyond a reasonable doubt). Decisions do not have to be unanimous in civil cases.
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Posted on: 10:16 am on May 24, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Monday 24 May 2010 :-
Property damage could top B50bn
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Damage to property during last week's riots in Bangkok is estimated at 50 billion to 60 billion baht, says deputy finance minister Pruektichai Damrongrut.
The worst destruction was at CentralWorld, wrecking the Zen Department Store and the CentralWorld shopping complex, one of the largest malls in Southeast Asia. Other buildings attacked during the riots include the Center One complex at Victory Monument, a Metropolitan Electricity Authority office in Klong Toey, the Siam Theatre at Siam Square, and the Maleenont Tower on Rama IV.
Outside Bangkok, protesters torched government facilities in several provinces and nearly totally destroyed government offices at Ubon Ratchathani.
The damage estimates exclude indirect opportunity and business losses. Tourism, for instance, has plunged since the red-shirt demonstrations began in mid-March, while hotels and malls at the Ratchaprasong area have been mostly closed since early April due to the protests.
Cabinet ministers tomorrow will consider a package of state assistance for companies and workers affected by the protests and riots.
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Posted on: 12:06 pm on May 24, 2010
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Bull
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Will CentralWorld need to be completely demolished? Any information? Thanks.
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Posted on: 6:20 pm on May 24, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Report from Bangkok Post dated Monday 24 May 2010 :-
BTS' sky trains to run from 6 am to midnight from Tuesday 25 May 2010
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The sky train services of Bangkok Mass Transit System (BTS) will run normally from 6 am to midnight starting from Tuesday, a BTS director said Monday.
Dr Anat Arbhabhirama, Director of BTS, said the services will be available at all stations, except the Rajdamri Station, which will remain closed.
Anat said the BTS is considering how to compensate passengers who have bought a 30-day passes, which still has number of passes left.
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Posted on: 8:06 pm on May 24, 2010
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PussyLover 69
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Quote: from Bull on 6:20 am on May 25, 2010
Will CentralWorld need to be completely demolished? Any information? Thanks.
Report from The Nation dated Monday 24 May 2010 :-
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BMA insists Center One, CentralWorld and Siam Theatre must be demolished
Thanom On-ketpol, spokesman of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, Monday insisted that Center One shopping mall, CentralWorld shopping mall and Siam Theatre must be demolished.
The BMA spokesman said the three buildings were damaged by fires beyond repairing so they needed to be demolished.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:11 pm on May 24, 2010
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