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Quote: from Mr Alan on 6:01 am on May 25, 2010
... Since no one has come forth to verify or dispute this claim....
I thought you did that already in your post timed at 3:16pm on May 24.
So I was right then. I said no doubt someone who knows about this stuff would put me right on it and you did. Well I'll be habeas corpused! 
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Posted on: 10:46 am on May 25, 2010
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Shredded Wheat
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Quote: from Valetta on 6:39 am on May 25, 2010
...In any event how would you like to to be facing a criminal charge,and be certain to be convicted without the prosecuting authority having to produce any evidence of your guilt,unless you, in the face of all the resources a state has available to it,were able to establish your innocence.Because that is the result of having a presumption of guilt.
You're talking about Guantanamo Bay arent you?
No seriously, I wouldn't. But then I didn't say I wanted or supported a system that works that way. Just that people who are brought up under a system that works that way probably don't find it an infringment on their personal liberty - because it's all they've ever known, they're used to it, so their idea/concept of personal liberty is different (to our idea where we have and are used to greater personal freedoms).
(E.G. If you've never tasted caviar then you don't know if you like it or not).
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Posted on: 11:19 am on May 25, 2010
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Shredded Wheat
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Stray Gypsy - nice one!
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Posted on: 11:23 am on May 25, 2010
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Loung Steeb
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I humbly defer to the Thai government experts...
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Posted on: 4:22 pm on May 25, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Shredded Wheat on 11:19 am on May 25, 2010
You're talking about Guantanamo Bay arent you?
No seriously, I wouldn't. But then I didn't say I wanted or supported a system that works that way. Just that people who are brought up under a system that works that way probably don't find it an infringment on their personal liberty - because it's all they've ever known, they're used to it, so their idea/concept of personal liberty is different (to our idea where we have and are used to greater personal freedoms).
(E.G. If you've never tasted caviar then you don't know if you like it or not).
US Courts have ruled that the Gitmo detainees are prisoners of war and not entitled to the same constitutional guarantees of liberty as citizens. It is simply not possible grant every prisoner a trial during wartime.
As to whether people get used to government oppression, I am not so sure. I think most times when that happens they just don't like it, but don't want to risk their lives to try change it. In any event, most of the civilized world has laws that provide for the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But obviously some countries don't. Don't know about Thailand.
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Posted on: 6:29 pm on May 25, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Shredded Wheat on 10:46 am on May 25, 2010
thought you did that already in your post timed at 3:16pm on May 24.
So I was right then. I said no doubt someone who knows about this stuff would put me right on it and you did. Well I'll be habeas corpused!
My post at 3:16pm on May 24. (the time according to your webpage) only dealt with US law where there is a clear presumption of innocence in criminal cases. I wasn't 100% sure about France, which is what you originally posted about, and what I later researched (because I was more than a little surprised about what you suggested regarding French law and wanted to find out for myself).
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Posted on: 6:41 pm on May 25, 2010
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... I am reminded of the stories we read here and elsewhere about farang idiots who don't get that this is NOTHING like home, nor does their passport entitle them to ANYTHING more than an embassy furnished translator.
... passports should require means testing: "Do you have enough brains to travel outside of (fill in country name here) ?"
... for those armchair adventurers who come here to party, f*** and run, Khlong Prem Prison is NOT the guest house experience you really want in Thailand... the Aussie suspect Purcell is likely held in general population.
... so much for his bragging about being a macho military sniper... his butthole is the only target about which he needs to worry in Khlong Prem... hoo-aah!
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THE NATION
26 May, 2010
A Briton and an Australian have been arrested for joining the red shirt protests, officials said yesterday.
The Australian, Conor David Purcell, 30, and the Briton, Jeff Savage, 49, were arrested and charged with breaching the emergency law, an offence which carries up to two years imprisonment, police said.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the pair were arrested for violating the state of emergency "and for their roles on stage during the rally".
"For the Australian man it's not yet clear, but in the case of the Briton he's involved with the (red shirt) movement in Pattaya," Abhisit said.
He said officials would also probe other allegations against the men.
There have been reports that Purcell was a former member of the Australian army and that he received training as a sniper, however embassy sources are understood to have suggested neither claim was true. Purcell, arrested on Sunday, is now in Klong Prem prison.
Abhisit said: "Indepth investigations will be carried out to find out whether they had any other role."
The PM said he was confident that Savage was systematically involved with the red shirts, based on his comments to the British media.
Savage has been accused by the government of inciting protesters to set fire to a major shopping mall, Central World, after red shirt leaders called off their rally and surrendered after the military crackdown last Wednesday.
According to British media reports, he has denied being involved in arson attacks last Wednesday.
The street rallies, which were broken up last week by the army, paralysed central Bangkok and descended into riots. Some 88 people were killed and 1,900 others injured in clashes since the red shirts' protest began in midMarch.
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Posted on: 10:09 pm on May 25, 2010
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from quack quack on 11:21 pm on May 25, 2010
Oh. c'mon Mr. Alan, don't spout such inanities; as I had informed you many months back, boys aged 16 years & less were imprisoned in Gitmo thanks to that sadistic psychopath Dubya & his paranoid colleagues; Cheney et al (who BTW still can't control his verbal diarrhea).
At least the Thais' are civilized & humane enough not to subject their prisoners to tortures like water boarding, something that the DEMOCRATIC USA specializes in.
If a country like Afghanistan puts 16 year-old children into battle, that is not the fault of the USA. They were captured during a war taking up arms against the US and Afghan forces and they are prisoners of war.
I don't know of any wars where Thailand directly engaged another nation in battle during recent history, so it is hard to say how they treated prisoners. But not too long ago a Thai Army General exercising his rights to freedom of speech was assassinated by the government currently in power, kicking off some bloody and deadly riots that ensued where almost a hundred others were killed. Maybe you heard about that?
During WWII Thailand was complicit with the Japanese occupation of their country when the the notorious Burma-Siam railway was built using prisoners of war captured by the Japanese. During its construction, approximately 13,000 Allied soldier (most American and British) prisoners of war died and were buried along the railway. An estimated 80,000 to 100,000 civilians (mostly slaves imported from other countries by the Japanese) also died in the course of the construction.
Today In Thailand (formally Siam), the "The Bridge over the River Kwai" (a part of the Burma-Siam railway) is a major tourist attraction in LOS. Maybe you can go there and see the graves of some of those who died in forced slavery and unspeakable inhumane treatment they suffered building the railway and the bridge. Of course, there probably are no real graves, but maybe you can just find some bones laying around
To compare what happened to the 13,000 prisoners of war and 80,000 -100,000 civilians who died building the railway (much of it in Thailand) with water-boarding at Gitmo is obscene (like most of your other posts). By the way, Thailand capitulated with the Japanese occupation of their country during WWII, so they bear responsibility for what happened in building the railway, so your conclusions about how "civilized" Thailand has been is seriously misguided.
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Posted on: 12:25 am on May 26, 2010
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Oz
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 1:25 pm on May 26, 2010
During WWII Thailand was complicit with the Japanese occupation of their country when the the notorious Burma-Siam railway was built using prisoners of war captured by the Japanese. During its construction, approximately 13,000 Allied soldier (most American and British) prisoners of war died and were buried along the railway. An estimated 80,000 to 100,000 civilians (mostly slaves imported from other countries by the Japanese) also died in the course of the construction.
NO, Actually the majority of Soldiers where British, Australian's & Dutch. Only about 5% American deaths! Get your facts right, maybe been watching the Bridge on the River Kwai!
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Posted on: 12:34 am on May 26, 2010
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jingjo
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OZ is Correct
The Burma Railway, also known as the Death Railway, the Thailand-Burma Railway and similar names, is a 415 km (258 mile) railway between Bangkok, Thailand and Rangoon, Burma (now Myanmar), built by the Empire of Japan during World War II, to support its forces in the Burma campaign.
Forced labour was used in its construction. About 180,000 Asian labourers and 60,000 Allied prisoners of war (POWs) worked on the railway. Of these, around 90,000 Asian labourers and 16,000 Allied POWs died as a direct result of the project. The dead POWs included 6,318 British personnel, 2,815 Australians, 2,490 Dutch, about 356 Americans and a smaller number of Canadians.[1]
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Posted on: 12:45 am on May 26, 2010
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