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Haa Humm! A call for Order ! striking the oak gavel down upon desk!
Let there be Order Everyone !
I say to all "What is clear cut ANARCHY in a localized populace ?" or even a small family for that matter ?..
Is it just a freedom to cus the living shit out of everyones thoughts, beliefs and opinions or a simple aurguments or debates dissenting or opposing said issues whether in governmental or localized environments?.Nope! that falls under sub definition of CIVILITY ! where a human conducts and places self restrain from bodily harm of others and property neglect during an aurgument for change or needs..... pist off tirades and defending self physically dont count as ANARCHY excuse either.... neither does an ACT of WAR ! in defense of country village etc
ANARCHY? is it freedom marches and parades and speeches given in front of government houses and park? Nope! thats just a call for political change
Is it written documents saying proported factual beliefs opposing viewpoints? nope just a civil matter if no harm comes
ANARCHY and TERRORISM ?? fall hand in hand.....Causing Human Deaths and Injuries ! Causing destruction of Property ! its to cause HARM point blank!
Thats what happened in Bangkok caused by the Red Shirt party.... they premeditated and commited ANARCHY and TERRORISM over innocent Bangkok residents. A red group moved a full LP gas truck into a BKK residential areas and set fire to itsa tires...that a BOMB ! it could of killed many innocent people ! remember the OK Bombing ? freaks
That what happened when a group of Saudi nationals hijacked jets and flew into the World Trade Towers 9/11 causing countless deaths and property destruction. With ever lasting grief worldwide.
Thats what happened when the Somali pirates seized the MAERSK freighter and kidnapped its captain.
Suppress the ANARCHY and TERRORISTIC acts or I say Thailand and its people with expats too, will live in FEAR ! Thais need dose economic equality cures there are too many poor with low pay jobs and who are left with nothing to do but commit ANARCHY ! hangin around like porch monkeys drinking Mekong and OlyPops! Idle hands with Blame and Hatred left to fester!
Defend yourselves against the BS ! the Red cause ?whether born by Elvis in Dubai or any other idiot with dictatorship controls... a Celebrity based popular culture is only on TV or Hollywood.... there is never a Utopia in real life ! throw caution to the wind ! Demagods never ever have solved peoples needs! hoping and wishing and praying only settles the CLOCK TIME that heals and forgets!
Anarchial based parties will form again ! Thailand needs a political equality ! when its good King passes on to Buddah I hope Thailand will survive the Civil War that may come !
"Is Thailand really FREE politically? " communism surrounds its national borders ? allowing other suppressed veiwpoints and blames......the world economy is down the drain till bankers loosen the loans.... Issan will have to grow more Rice cause the worlds gonna get hungrier !
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:21 am on April 16, 2009
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ThaidUp
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Well all I can say is you can now get a smokin deal on buying RED shirts.
Meanwhile, Thansfornuttin is now bedfellows with that other outstanding world leader Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.
This is nothing more than stroking Thanksfornuttin ego and him getting his baht back. Nothing to do with any democracy movement.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:31 am on April 16, 2009
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visitingbkk
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Quote: from apollo on 11:23 am on April 16, 2009
Funny how people have such a short memory and now believe PAD did no damage... LOL so.. here is something to refresh the memory (use google it works for many more such... )
AP... when I was referring to damage, I was thinking about physical destruction of property and the likes.... forgive me for not being more specific
I do not minimize the economic impact however I might add the with all the dooms-dayers saying tourist was shot for a year that AOT reported that the Dec/Jan tourist #s were at 80% of target... pretty damn good given the global economic situation.
As for the camera stuff... yes, rumors run wild like the red shirts saying the army killed 2 when they were actually killed by local residents. I was at many of the flash points and took several hundred photos of violent acts by reds, locals and some altercations with mobs and military... no one ever tried to take my camera away
It just that sort of baseless accusation that Toxin and his supporters use to create havoc and discontent... unsubstantiated rumors meant to incite, regardless of truth and the real damage.
You might find a lucrative career as part of his spin machine
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:48 am on April 16, 2009
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apollo
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Of course PAD did no "physical" demmage, it was all spiritual... LOL I suggest you check for facts yourself, however you are not interested in facts, as you already decided what happened and issued a verdict....
The sad truth is that many Thais are too lazy or to naive to really think for themsleves - gossip and rumors are the way of life in LOS and it is very convinient to believe in these than to have to work hard and find out the facts and truth.
I would not be suprized if some of the "red shirts" whom did shooting were actaully previous Blue Shirts to create impression needed by those in power - but yes no proof for that (however, the act one of this, the "Blue Shirts" in Pattaya were not simple citizens all deciding to wear blue and fight those "evil" reds...)
You really think there was no "physical" demage the PAD did to the Gov House, to the Airport, and other places in Thailand? Compared to the lose from operation/income, such demage may be pocket change though in some cases (not for the Gov house, but for the airport). Well, you be with your believe and think the PAD did just a "peaceful protest" and they did not shot anyone, they had no armed "guards", and so on, I do not deal with religious believs, too hard to convert releigious or fanatic people to see otherwise... 
Ap.-
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:36 am on April 16, 2009
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apollo
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Dead bodies appear... are these Red Shirts? Police (of course who else) will decide... :
From http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/140741/police-probe-reports-of-udd-deaths
Police probe claim dead men were red-shirts
By: BangkokPost.com, AFP
Published: 16/04/2009 at 02:15 PM
Police on Thursday said they were investigating claims that two men whose bodies were found gagged and bound in the Chao Phraya river were red-shirt protesters.
The bodies of Chaiyaporn Kanthang, 29, and Nattapong Poongdee, 23, were found near two piers close to Phra Pin Klao bridge on Wednesday morning.
They had suffered head injuries and apparently been hit with a hard object. They were gagged and their hands were tied behind their backs, police said.
"The official investigation has not yet found their deaths are related to the political rally,'' police investigator Pol Lt-Colonel Virat Petcharat.
"One of their friends told reporters that they went to join the red-shirt rally,'' he said, adding that the man had not repeated his claim to police.
Pramuk Sakornrat, a colleague of the murdered security guards, told police he last saw the two men late on Monday night at the Krung Thai General Business Services (KGS) compound where they work. They had been drinking, he said.
They had set off on a motorbike to join the anti-government rally at Government House and never returned, according to Mr Pramuk.
Police said there was no confirmation the pair were at the rally and that robbery was a more likely motive, as their motorcycle was missing.
Street violence erupted in Bangkok on Monday, leaving two dead and 123 injured.
The two dead men were local residents who objected to and clashed with the protesters in Nang Lerng area, according to the government.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has repeatedly said that there were no deaths caused by the soldiers' crackdown on protesters.
Red-shirt leaders claimed that troops had shot and killed some protesters and then took their bodies away.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:11 am on April 16, 2009
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visitingbkk
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Quote: from apollo on 8:36 pm on April 16, 2009
The sad truth is that many Thais are too lazy or to naive to really think for themsleves - gossip and rumors are the way of life in LOS and it is very convinient to believe in these than to have to work hard and find out the facts and truth.
now now... don't be so hard on yourself.....
I was at the airport and GH during the occupation by the yellows for a good portion of that time... documenting the events, interviewing people, taking pictures..... I saw what happened first hand..
I was also at the Sanum Luang rallies last year and at GH this time for the Reds.... again to see, interview document the event.
Were you here or anywhere around to see it... I guess probably not and can only speak what has been spoken... or most likely... what you choose to hear.
I was not yellow or red... it is not my country... but like in all places, the truth lies somewhere in the middle... I wanted to see and learn for myself, make my own decisions based upon what I can learn... not what others say.
Seems like your version of facts is like Toxins version of democracy... god help us
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:31 am on April 16, 2009
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apollo
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Wow nice... you actually were in the GH and the airport to document things. Of course you saw no demage to anything. Good I take your word for it!
Indeed you should be very respected for "I wanted to see and learn for myself, make my own decisions based upon what I can learn... not what others say. " while you have no opinion since "I was not yellow or red... it is not my country" you sure went to a lot of trouble to get into the GH and airport and risk your own just to "learn".
So you are neutral but you ask God for help with "Toxin"..."Seems like your version of facts is like Toxins version of democracy... god help us "
As I wrote, I do not deal with believes and fanatic opinions...
Ap.-
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:37 am on April 16, 2009
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visitingbkk
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Yes, I can honestly say that I witnessed no destruction of property at the airport. I am not saying there was none, but I have not seen any detailed reports post occupation that outlined specifically what physical damage was done there. When I made the comment to EPC, we were talking Suva, not GH.
As for GH, I was not in the country when it started so what happened then I cannot say... I know that once I was here, the bldgs were sealed off and no one was allowed in except one building where the honchos meet. I spoke to some officials after they left and saw the mess the place was in... clearly there was damage.... which, after 3-4 months and 10s of thousands of people coming in/out could have been a lot worse.
I might add, that a portion of the damage to the area came from the mysterious grenade attacks launched at the PAD
What I did NOT see back when the yellows were protesting were propane bombs hidden in areas to mame or kill people... I did not see scores of people walking around with Molotov cocktails wait to torch something or someone. I did not see buses set ablazed and used like torpedoes. But I did see all that this week.
Also dozens of businesses along the road were vandalized, huge glass windows shattered, police boxes looted and local residents terrorized.
It would be nice if you could really substantiate some of your comments with facts and not opinions or propaganda..
I guess we just agree to disagree AP
Quote: from apollo on 9:37 pm on April 16, 2009
As I wrote, I do not deal with believes and fanatic opinions...
Well, I am many things but not a fanatic. However your vehement attitude on this makes me believe you just might be
and on that note.... I will leave this thread... apologies to those that got bored with this exchange
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:56 am on April 16, 2009
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apollo
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"A third man, a United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), reportedly died from his injuries in the army assault on Monday morning."
From: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/140473/reds-in-retreat
So, still "no red shirts died" as claimed by Army and Gov?
As per above BKKPost one Red Shirt (at least) is dead.. I am sure this needs better supervision on information coming out of hospotals and written in local newspapers... they should not allow such news out...
More on such see: "New: Violence and the media"
http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/violence-and-the-media/
"April 15, 2009...3:35 pm
New: Violence and the media
A large number of mainstream media and political commentators, discussing recent events in Bangkok, have lauded the Abhisit government for handling what are usually characterized as “violent demonstrations” (see, e.g., the US State Department’s statement) with minimal use of violent military force and thus limited loss of life.
The statements made to this effect (see, e.g., PPT, “What the Washington analysts are saying,” 15 April 2009) are misleading in a variety of ways. First, there is as of yet no definitive account of how many people were actually killed or may yet die of injuries sustained in the military’s crackdown. The official figure on the number of people injured is at least 120, most of these from among the demonstrators (BBC News, “Army pressure ends Thai protest,” 14 April 2009), surely a significant toll, and there is as yet no certainty of how many of these-some reportedly in hospital in serious condition-may die. Moreover, the official government-asserted death toll of two persons (from a clash at Nang Lerng) is not consistent with a variety of other reports. At least one injured red shirt demonstrator, for example, was reported to have died of wounds sustained during the military’s attack at Din Daeng on Monday morning (Bangkok Post, “Reds in retreat,” 14 April 2009). Further, the claims by red shirts that at least six demonstrators were killed in those attacks, with the bodies being hauled away by the military (Bangkok Pundit, “It Begins,” 13 April 2009), have yet to be investigated or disproved-they are simply rejected out-of-hand by most of the major media and the Thai government, the latter scarcely a disinterested source. The D Station TV channel that originally broadcast the claim of six killed, on the other hand, had its satellite link cut by the Thai government - an interesting way for its claims to be proven “false” (Bangkok Pundit, “Media Battle,” 15 April 2009). Until there is a full and impartial investigation of events, it would be more honest of the media to report that at least two or three people have been confirmed dead with considerably more possible once all is said and done. It is not yet clear that there was “minimal loss of life.”
Second, as is too frequently the case, major media refuse to differentiate between violence-a term best used for attempts to harm human beings-and property damage. That red shirt demonstrators engaged in both of these is not in doubt (e.g., throwing molotov cocktails at military and attempting to attack Abhisit in his car), but it is also clear from the government’s own claimed death toll (and injury toll for soldiers) that there was comparatively little of the former, more of the latter on the part of the red shirts. Moreover, military units that fired on or assaulted demonstrators-often demonstrators who were at most engaging in property damage or general civil disobedience-are themselves guilty of violence, and there was demonstrably far more violence of this sort from the military than from the red shirts. Military attacks on demonstrators engaged primarily in civil disobedience and property damage would best be characterized as acts of state violence against civilians (even if in some cases those civilians were involved in illegal activities), not acts of governmental restraint in confronting violent demonstrators.
Third, it is conveniently ignored in most of the major media commentary that the beginning of the process in which the demonstrations became uglier was the attacks launched by blue shirt vigilantes in Pattaya against red shirt protestors (Nirmal Ghosh, “Live: Flashpoint Pattaya,” Straits Times, 11 April 2009). It was after this-some claim in response to their perception of endangerment from violent attacks by military-backed groups-that red shirt demonstrators upped their own levels of militance and violence, arguably in self-defense in some cases. In addition, in the case of Pattaya, the major media again largely neglected to differentiate between violence and civil disobedience or property damage. The red shirts unquestionably engaged in an act of civil disobedience-shutting down the ASEAN summit meeting-and even engaged in property damage in doing so, smashing windows. It was the blue shirt vigilantes, however, who began carrying out violent attacks against red shirts, and some reports on the incidents have even claimed that cases where red shirts were seen throwing small bombs in the direction of blue shirts were in fact cases where the red shirts were throwing back explosives that the blue shirts had lobbed in their direction (Nirmal Ghosh, “Live: Flashpoint Pattaya,” Straits Times, 11 April 2009). We make no claims as to the accuracy of these reports, but once again, until the blue shirt actions at Pattaya are fully investigated-and in fact until the matter of who the blue shirts were and who organized them is addressed-any claims about the origins and extent of state violence are meaningless.
Finally, a number of commentators have chosen-however implausibly or disingenuously-to contrast the violence of the red shirt demonstrators with what they have called the “peaceful” occupation of Bangkok’s Suwannaphum and Don Meuang Airports by yellow shirt People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) demonstrators last year (see, e.g., the comments by various discussants of the Thai crisis on Al Jazeera, 14 April 2009). This claim is not only deeply inaccurate but serves as royalist propaganda in the current political war. The PAD was far from non-violent in its airport occupation: for example, yellow shirt demonstrators attacked police sent to stop the demonstrations (Reuters, “Assault on police shows Thai protestors’ ugly side,” 29 November 2008), and yellow shirt “security” brigades were captured on camera beating people suspected of trying to infiltrate the occupation (Matichon Online, 1 December 2008; see also Jonathan Head, “How did Thai protestors manage it?” BBC News, 3 December 2008). Moreover, the entire spate of PAD occupations during this period-most notably the long occupation of Government House-were marked by violent clashes with red shirt demonstrators and police, with a number of the former being killed (Chang Noi, “The culture of protest and the use of violence,” The Nation, 8 December 2008; Bangkok Pundit, “Protests and Violence,” 8 December 2008). In addition, if the media wish to count property damage as “violence,” the PAD were dramatically more violent than the Songkran red shirt demonstrators, causing tremendous damage to Government House (Bangkok Pundit, “What was Found at Government House? What is Missing,” 8 December 2008), and causing millions of dollars worth of economic damage to Thais and foreign travelers through their airport occupations (Chularat Seangprassa and Wichit Chaitrong, “Stranded aircrafts allowed to leave,” The Nation, 1 December 2008).
It is evidence of the interests and double-standards of the Abhisit government that it has yet to successfully prosecute any PAD leaders for their violence and destruction of property while they have wasted no time in not only arresting but sending to military and Border Patrol Police headquarters three of the leaders of the far less violent and damaging red shirt demonstrations. It is also evidence of the complicity of the media in these hypocritical proceedings that they chime in regarding the violence of the red shirts while they remain mute about the non-prosecution of far more violent PAD leaders.
PPT is concerned that this kind of unbalanced and sometimes frankly dishonest journalism contributes to an environment in which the Abhisit government will be allowed to claim an undeserved moral high ground, without being forced to explain its actions, undertake a serious investigation of the activities of the Thai military, or seriously confront the causes or consequences of the Songkran demonstrations. We urge PPT readers to challenge major media to conduct themselves with greater professional integrity and responsibility."
Ap.-
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:42 am on April 16, 2009
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visitingbkk
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sorry everyone..... I cannot let this go
AP, have you any idea what you cut/paste?
Notice how this site was created just after the Democratic coalition took control?
Notice how they only talk about the current administration?
Notice how they never once mention the human rights abuses or LM arrests under the previous PMs?
Notice that most of (limited) facts are readily availalbe on any website and can be googled and read online here (not censored)
Even though it is public info and they are not doing anything that fits into the LM laws, the choose to remain "anonymous"
Again...you do exactly what Toxin and his cronies do... push one sided, clearly biased misinformation, package in such a way that narrow minded people believe it to be truth. "Truth Today" is actually "No Truth Today... or any day" from that side
It reminds me of the bush WMD mantra.... say it enough and it must be true.... Opps.....billions later and 1000s dead and we find out it was a lie.
Again....if you want to make a difference get involved and learn something then you can speak with some clarity and respectability. You can agree or disagree, I could give a red rats arse... but to just push crap you know nothing of is one of the reasons we had all this trouble recently...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:28 am on April 16, 2009
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