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Drunketiger: The problem is that some guy here simply dont want to look at FACTS, they decided what is the "thruth" and will disregard/ridiculise anything and anyone that does not fit their version of "thruth".
Doing this they really remind me of those integrist Christians who decided once and for all that God created human being and that are simply diregarding or ignoring any scientific fact that does not fit with this tale.
I do not know what happened really on 9/11, nobody on this board does and its rather unlikely we learn it anytime soon.
But what I know for sure is that the "official version" does NOT fit with facts'
This sayed I m out of this discussion, I dont have time to loose with peoples who think a discussion is when everyone agree to their opinion and who insult me repeatedly from behind a keyboard.
By the way if the "give 50 dollars and get who you want banned" promotion is still avalaible please let me know BK, I have 50 dollars ready for you and you can guess the name of the lucky winner  (he is allready on my ignore list btw)
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Posted on: 10:24 am on Aug. 18, 2006
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Golden Star
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Not only did Bush conspire with Osama Bin Laden to perpetrate the 9/11 atrocities but also, Princess Diana's death was orchestrated by Queen Elizabeth II in cahoots with Blair, Kenneth Lay is still alive and living on the Seychelles under the watchful eye of Uncle Sam and finally, despite some of the zany theories you may have heard, Elvis Presley was abducted by aliens!
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Posted on: 12:16 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
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drunkentiger
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Quote: from madfrog on 12:32 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
I do not know what happened really on 9/11, nobody on this board does and its rather unlikely we learn it anytime soon.
But what I know for sure is that the "official version" does NOT fit with facts'
That's exactly how I feel about it. Who the hell knows if it was George W. Bush, the CIA, Al Quaeda, Iraq or the freakin' Mormon Tabernacle Choir for crying out loud? All I know is that 2 planes crashing into the tops of the WTC towers isn't going to topple both of them & another 40+ story steel building several hundred feet away from them the way they went down & with even the concrete of the buildings pulverized to fine powder unless there was some other outside factors at play here, like explosives planted in the foundation & internal structural reinforcements of each of those buildings. Who planted those explosives could be anyone's guess, but those towers didn't just topple by themselves because of some jet fuel burning office furniture for a couple minutes on some of the levels. Molten steel supports in the sub basements & pulverized concrete into fine powder littering the streets of downtown Manhatten all caused by 2 planes crashing into the top levels of the towers? Pretty ridiculous explanation if you ask me.
A commercial jet liner also is NOT going to be allowed to crash into the freakin' PENTAGON without at least a warning to evacuate that side of the building well in advance of the crash also. The airspace over any gov't building as important as the Pentagon is restricted airspace monitored by radar & anti-aircraft weaponry. A plane as big as a jetliner isn't sneaking up on anybody folks. For all those who want to throw insults at people who simply are asking questions about what happened that day, it's a pity you choose to take such an immature approach to such a serious topic. If you haven't taken a few minutes of your life to view the evidence, how can you possibly ridicule those who have?
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Posted on: 1:01 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
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Quote: from drunkentiger on 2:10 am on Aug. 19, 2006
but those towers didn't just topple by themselves because of some jet fuel burning office furniture for a couple minutes on some of the levels. Molten steel supports in the sub basements & pulverized concrete into fine powder littering the streets of downtown Manhatten all caused by 2 planes crashing into the top levels of the towers? Pretty ridiculous explanation if you ask me.
Downplaying what actually happened to make your claims more realistic also doesn't do much to support any credibility you might have had. You're only being ridiculous yourself with your effort to minimize the impact of what actually went down.
To wit:
'some' jet fuel: We're not talking about a bucket of fuel being accidentally ignited. A 767-200 jetliner carries 23,980 US gal (source: Boeing), which was explosively ignited when the plane's kinetic energy drove it's mass (395,000 lbs) at 400-500 mph into the side of a steel building. This is enough to do more than just 'warm up' the place of impact. The heat generated, was enough to melt and vaporize most of the airplane, though not enough to melt the steel. But it did not have to melt the steel, only to soften and weaken the trusses that connected the floors to the supporting structure, as well as the integrity of the steel. Once those gave way, and one floor collapsed on the next lower floor, a collapse continues like a house of cards.
a 'couple' of minutes: The fires burnt for nearly an hour, which was more than the 45 minutes needed for the steel to weaken, trusses and connectors to expand from the heat, and the connections to weaken.
pulverized concrete: Everyone loves to bring this up, implying that ALL concrete in the building was pulverized (it wasn't) or that concrete can't be pulverized (it can, quite easily in fact, it just takes great heat, and a serious impact. Considering the chain reaction of collapsing floors, and the heat involved, I am not surprised that a lot of concrete at the lower levels was pulverized.
molten steel: and why not? A vast amount of the jetfuel dropped right down the central shaft of each building (each building is built around a central core, which is a shaft in the center of the building - a unique feature of the WTC's construction), and ended up burning and smoldering for days under the debris of the WTC.
- What's that? Fire can't burn underground? This would come as a surprise to the pig of a Hawaiian Luau, or the Central Pennsylvania town of Centralia (and other similar towns), which had coal fires burning underneath the town for a good 30 years. Such underground fires actually develop incredible temperatures (early smelting was done in such manner), and are quite capable of melting steel.
Quote: from drunkentiger on 2:10 am on Aug. 19, 2006
A commercial jet liner also is NOT going to be allowed to crash into the freakin' PENTAGON without at least a warning to evacuate that side of the building well in advance of the crash also. The airspace over any gov't building as important as the Pentagon is restricted airspace monitored by radar & anti-aircraft weaponry. A plane as big as a jetliner isn't sneaking up on anybody folks.
It takes just two things for bad things to happen - complacency and incompetence (generally, the latter breeds the former). Due to the fact that no plane was ever used as a weapon, that no plane had ever hit the Pentagon, and that most agencies that had warnings downplayed them, you end up with a plane 'sneaking up' on you. In fact, while planes were finally scrambled, it was too late at the time.
FACS is that none of this lacks explanations, offical or otherwise.
Quote: from drunkentiger on 2:10 am on Aug. 19, 2006
For all those who want to throw insults at people who simply are asking questions about what happened that day, it's a pity you choose to take such an immature approach to such a serious topic. If you haven't taken a few minutes of your life to view the evidence, how can you possibly ridicule those who have?
Actually, I have taken a great deal of time in my life to view the evidence, and maybe you should do the same - unless you are so dead-sure that you are right, that you do not need to view anything else 
I have gone to great length to support my views in many of the posts in this thread by providing supporting views and evidence and facts - unlike MadFrog's idiotic wild-postings and paranoia ridden postings, and here I'll do one better. Read the following links, and let me know what you think:
Pentagon Plane Evidence:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread208594/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread219010/pg1
At the end of the day, there's a couple of questions I have for you (or MadFrog, if he is able to articulate a thought) :
- if the Towers were rigged with explosives HOW would someone have managed to rig three towers with the hundreds of explosive charges needed to create a controlled demolition, without getting detected - at all?
- what happened to the 4 planes that supposedly did not fly into the WTC, Pentagon, and Pennsylvania countryside?
- what happened to the people on those planes, if they were supposedly not on those planes?
This isn't the kind of world where we re-enact 'Capricorn One'
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Posted on: 8:03 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
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Quote: from madfrog on 11:32 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
Drunketiger: The problem is that some guy here simply dont want to look at FACTS, they decided what is the "thruth" and will disregard/ridiculise anything and anyone that does not fit their version of "thruth".
Actually, the problem is that most people *WILL* not only look at facts, but also understand them. It's generally uneducated people that will embrace any conspiracy, claiming that 'things are not as they seem'.
I care very little for any 'official' story, when the facts are pretty obvious - two planes hit the WTC towers, and the towers came down. It is pretty irrelevant that no scrapers before or after collapsed from a fire - none before or after were hit by 767 jet planes, and doused in aircraft kerosene either.
Quote: from madfrog on 11:32 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
By the way if the "give 50 dollars and get who you want banned" promotion is still avalaible please let me know BK, I have 50 dollars ready for you and you can guess the name of the lucky winner (he is allready on my ignore list btw)
Apparently, not! (you know, just saying so, doesn't make it so, though that appears to be your general philosophy, isn't it?) Kinda telling, considering the rest of your statements.
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Posted on: 8:04 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 10:11 pm on Aug. 18, 2006
Downplaying what actually happened to make your claims more realistic also doesn't do much to support any credibility you might have had. You're only being ridiculous yourself with your effort to minimize the impact of what actually went down.
Dude, I'm not here seeking credit from anyone for being some sorta wannabe expert on the events of 9/11. I just have questions after watching those videos that I want answered as this subject touches very close to my heart being that I've lived in NYC all my life. Believe me, minimalizing what went down that day is something I would never do. I sorta felt like the whole 9/11 commission's account was minimalizing things to be honest. Sorry, but that whole pancake theory just doesn't convince me whatsoever, especially as it also pertains to WTC 7 building collapsing into itself the way it did.
Trust me, I'm not pretending to be no scientist, I'm not a political activist & sure as hell am not a conspiracy theorist who's trying to spread paranoia & sell DVD's while trying to reason that there were no passengers on those planes or who believes in alien abduction & that sorta crap (please don't lump me into those categories). I'm an average joe who witnessed the burning towers that day on my daily commute to work dude. Really not interested in getting into any "I know more about what happened than you" game here. That wasn't my intention from the get go. I just didn't understand the apparent disdain some of you have for people who are simply raising questions & want them answered.
Thanks for those links, I'll definitely check them out & get back to you after I've had a chance to digest the stuff you just provided (if I can make sense of it all that is). Btw, I wasn't implying you necessarily when I said that most people will throw insults rather than consider new evidence that might challenge their own preconceived notions of what happened that day. I've had people literally refuse to even look at any of those videos out of sheer unwillingness to open their minds to anything potentially anti-Bush. It's ridiculous to me how people will allow political interests get in the way of finding out the real truth. I'm not saying I know what really happened that day. I don't believe I ever said I did. I'm simply looking to find out.
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Posted on: 2:01 am on Aug. 19, 2006
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drunkentiger Posted on 4:09 pm on Aug. 19, 2006
------------------------------------------------------------------------get in the way of finding out the real truth. I'm not saying I know what really happened that day. I don't believe I ever said I did. I'm simply looking to find out.
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DT...how will you know the REAL TRUTH about 9/11 when you find it?
We, as a group cannot agree on the real truth of if a certain girl who we think "loves us" really even "likes us" at all. WE all see the same facts differently
And we are experts in our field to.... Enjoy.
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Posted on: 7:52 am on Aug. 19, 2006
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Mel Gibson
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Daffy sums up things to my way of thinking based on a fair bit of evidence, so no need for further comment EXCEPT....
It was 11/9.
P.S I should never be accused of racism, I hate everyone equally
Just one quick question,, what would happen if a 767 was flown into Nana Plaza?
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Posted on: 12:55 pm on Aug. 19, 2006
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