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farangman4
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Right, a few people have started attacking and accusing me of all sorts of rubbish, including being a troll and using multiple identities (here: http://bkkx.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=35&topic=14&start=1790 ), and while I don't want to start having internet arguments with people I have never met (which is a bit like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still a spazz), I'd like to rebutt them. But at the same time I don't want to take the threads off topic. So, I'm thinking - I'll rebutt them here, and maybe that's in general a good idea for people in my situation.
Anyway, Buttman - a few questions:
1) Are you telling me that this is the case, or asking?
2) Why the vitriol? Where did it come from?
3) Do you accept that you're flaming me - you have written a long, personal attack on me, claiming I am using multiple identities. If you are right, I deserve, at the very least, to be frozen, if not banned. If you are wrong - then what? Like a woman who falsely accuses a man of raping her, should you be allowed to walk free? Or maybe you should have the courage of your convictions, and agree that you should be also subject to whatever sanctions should be meted upon myself.
Please either apologise for your attacks, or agree to some sort of sanction for whoever is in the wrong and ask BK to check our IP addresses, historically if need be. And, in general, if you care about this forum - don't flame, don't threadf***!
(incidentally, I LIKE filthy women. I've been to Eden, and it is AMAZING. If I want a non-filthy lady, I'll go somewhere else (or date one). We're talking about women who'll rim you, drink your piss, do all sorts of depraved sexual acts. I am FAR from dissing them when I call them filthy. There is NOTHING in that post which is negative about Eden. Like I say, you know what they look like when you choose them - if you don't like what you see, you don't have to choose them. And you don't get a nasty surprise when you get them into bed and find they are not what it said on the tin. So I really don't know where any of your stuff is coming from).
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:49 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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erikE
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farangman4, Buttman's arguments are very convincing.
But, this has to be decided by BK (he probably has some IP-tool to see if both 4s has posted from the same computer).
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:29 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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farangman4
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Erik, he makes three main points. First, that we joined at the same time. Second, we have similar styles. And third, that I validated him in the Eden thread.
I'm willing to believe that the first is true - not checked it, but why would Butt lie?
The second - well, in some ways we are similar, sure. But I have NEVER repeated the same thread over and over again as Ego just did. I am normally very positive, and rarely negative or sarcastic. And as for the double meanings - well I've rebutted the accusation of the example Buttman gave, above.
As for validating Ego, if you read my post again, you'll see that I am saying that I didn't think he was a troll, but that he had made his point and that it was time for him to shut the f*** up. Hardly validation, that.
And as for myself and Ego setting up dual personalities to play games with them: man, we've left it long enough! What are we, some sort of cold war Le Carre novel soviet sleeper spies? Who the hell leaves it four years before starting to play multiple personality board mind games? And, as I point out in the paragraph above, they aren't even mind games we are playing!
Boils down to: in some ways, similar styles; joined same time. Looked at one way, with Buttman's flourishing style, a case is put. Looked at another, not much there, really is there?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:57 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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IBFarang
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I always get a good chuckle when someone posts anything negative on either the eden thread of the SOL thread. As they are sure to be hit with a barrage of folks basically telling them either to shut the f*** up, or calling them a liar for thinking the service/ladies at either establishment are anything but the best in the world.
News flash:
Not everyone thinks that eden has the best service in the world and I don’t think anyone can argue that they have the best looking ladies. And not everyone thinks the ladies of SOL are the best suckers in Thailand.
I have tried them both several times and go back every now and again. Both are joints that I think most should try at least once. But I find it very reasonable that some folks would not find either of them worth a return visit, or even worth the money they spent on the first visit. And I think they have everyright to state their opions as such on this forum.
I was a bit concerned when edenpapa made mention of deleting ego4's posts, and thankfully it appears he has not. Ya gots to take the good with the bad.
As for the back n’ forth accruing now on the eden thread I would have to agree that I don’t quite see how farangman4 and ego4 are being lumped together. I did not find the posts made by farangman4 to be validating or supporting the posts made by ego4. Then again when it comes to eden or SOL folks are pretty quick on the keyboard.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 7:10 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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Buttman 007
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I would never expect your work and your home to have the same IP address. That proves nothing.
For you to attempt to take the high road is laughable. In fact, I'm shocked that you would actually put yourself under such a limelight for others to judge. It only exemplifies your delusional impression of yourself.
You are the very epitome of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. In fact, how did you decide to use Farangman4, rather than Ego4 this time around? Do you actually think I can't see through your double-entendre as you describe the girls as "filthy," yet again? Or your identical sentence structures, writing style and tone as Ego4? You think that I and others can't see through your little games? Your attempts to compliment the Eden Club is nothing but a smokescreen to hide behind your passive aggressive, disparaging comments of the girls and Marc. Every day for several days, you've been playing Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde at the expense of Marc, the girls and other forum members.
I have nothing further to add that I haven't already stated over the past 24 hours within the Eden thread. I've made my accusations crystal clear. So far your defense is to play victimized and "dumb" which you do very well.
And I encourage everyone to read your posts under both Farangman4 and Ego4 within the Eden thread. You're nothing but a passive aggressive troll, using two different screen names to harass Marc and the girls.
Let the forum decide....
Don't be fooled by his recent post a few moments ago--that is not an accurate portrayal of my accusations. Read my argument in the Eden post and then decide.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:17 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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Buttman 007
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From Farangman4/Ego4's last post:
"As for validating Ego, if you read my post again, you'll see that I am saying that I didn't think he was a troll, but that he had made his point and that it was time for him to shut the f*** up. Hardly validation, that."
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Stop lying.
To refresh your memory, here is your quote from page 179 that you are lying about, as you address your other identity:
"I think you've made your point. I believe you that your OP was genuine, but this board has had its fair share of trolls, some very sophisticated, so please forgive those of us who see trolling behaviour where it maybe isn't. Thais aren't South Americans - they are very rarely exuberantly filthy. Marc's gathered together a bunch who are. That's what he offers. Other establishments have gathered together a bunch of women who are sublimely beautiful - but who are often starfish. At least at Eden's, you know what you are getting - you can see what they look like, and you KNOW they are going to be filthy."
You never once told your alter-ego, Ego4 to "shut the f*** up." Why are you lying about this? You stated that his/your post was genuine, you warned him about trolls (your audacity and the irony is breathtaking), then you proceeded to call the girls filthy, again. You love the word "filthy," as it can be very easily construed as both negative and positive--a perfect double entendre that you manipulate into a positive light, while its true meaning is very disparaging. Very cleverly, you try to sound sincere, yet you never pass an opportunity to disparage the girls in the exact same subtle manner as Ego4. Do you actually think that an educated person can't see through your double-entendre, and word games?
All the cards are on the table. Stop lying. It really hacks into your credibility.
To think that you actually put this on center stage attempting to play the victim is mind-blowing.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:36 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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snpark
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Quote: from farangman4 on 9:32 am on Aug. 15, 2008
And third, that I validated him in the Eden thread
is that like being validated in the arse in eden??
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:37 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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erikE
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Quote: from farangman4 on 9:32 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Erik, he makes three main points. First, that we joined at the same time. Second, we have similar styles. And third, that I validated him in the Eden thread.
I'm willing to believe that the first is true - not checked it, but why would Butt lie?
I have not studied the writing style in depth, but if there is no connection between these two users, it is like winning the lottery ten weeks in a row:
- Both have similar nicks (ends with a 4)
- Both joined within days of each other:
ego4: July 18, 2004
farangman4: July 21, 2004
- From recent Eden thread Ego follows farangman within the next half hour:
-- Posted by farangman4 on 11:02 pm on Aug. 13, 2008
-- Posted by ego4 on 11:38 pm on Aug. 13, 2008
-- Posted by farangman4 on 11:51 am on Aug. 14, 2008
-- Posted by ego4 on 12:20 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
A coincidence?
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Posted on: 8:45 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from farangman4 on 9:32 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Who the hell leaves it four years before starting to play multiple personality board mind games?
Sadly, there is some precedent for that, so by virtue of that, the accusation of sleeper accounts can not entire be dismissed.
Quote: from Buttman 007 on 11:10 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Stop lying. It really hacks into your credibility.
Brilliant - not sure if you intended the humor in that statement.
Quote: from erikE on 11:19 am on Aug. 15, 2008
- Both have similar nicks (ends with a 4)
There's plenty of similarly named handles on here, you only have to look as far as Ducks - DaffyDuck, Quack Quack, DuckzNutz, etc... and those are from different people.
My question, actually - why haven't we heard from ego4 in all of this?
What does it matter?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:12 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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Buttman 007
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Thanks erikE
Both screen names were created within three days of each other way back in 2004.
But here's what's truly amazing: They both arrive in the Eden forum TOGETHER 4 YEARS LATER! WTF? I am always posting/reading in the Eden thread, and I've never seen them until now. Whether there's a precedent or not, it did in fact happen! What are the odds of this being an independent occurrence?
It's virtually mathematically impossible for the two of them to be random different people, joining BTF together, arriving together in the Eden thread 4 years later, and sharing the exact same trolling characteristics. Too improbable.
And the subtle method of attacking....
It's so obvious.....
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Daffy, you should know by now my humor is very deliberate. Computer/identity hacking. We haven't heard from Ego4, because he's too busy using the Farangman4 screen name. Besides, Farangman4 has been Ego4's support, not the other way around.
And yes, I agree about the "4," if that was the only similarity. Like I said in the Eden thread, adding everything together, it's just another similarity that's impossible not to connect.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:54 pm on Aug. 14, 2008
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