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Mr Alan
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Quote: from IBFarang on 5:05 am on Jan. 10, 2008
And how did VT get leap-frogged? They won their conference championship game as well.
They beat Boston College, while the others beat higher ranked teams. The fact that VT lost to Kansas in the Orange Bowl Game demonstrates that it was a correct judgement to not have VT in the BCS championship game.
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Posted on: 5:29 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 4:31 am on Jan. 10, 2008
So set up a playoff series and split the television revenue where the teams playing take the lion's share and a lesser amount go to the conferences they represent.
That is not going to happen. The conferences vote on these things, and they have all decided to split the money. It is too risky for a team to go it alone, they need a more constant revenue stream. Profit from football funds most of the other sports (except Men's BB), including women's athletics (which is mandated by law). The spliting of revenue in the conferences is one reason there are no more independents except for Notre Dame. Florida State, Penn State, et al were independents at one time.
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Posted on: 5:34 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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IBFarang
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:24 pm on Jan. 10, 2008
WTF are you smoking?
Nice thought out reasoned response.
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Posted on: 8:06 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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China Sailor
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IBF,
Mr Alan does not appear to read ESPN.COM either I guess because the solution I posted is currently being discussed by the NCAA Commissioners albeit on a 1vs4/2vs3 playoff scheme...
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Posted on: 8:27 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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IBFarang
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:44 pm on Jan. 10, 2008
They beat Boston College, while the others beat higher ranked teams. The fact that VT lost to Kansas in the Orange Bowl Game demonstrates that it was a correct judgement to not have VT in the BCS championship game.
BCS standings VT was 6, LSU was 7, BC was 11, and Tennessee was 14
VT (6) beats the 11 rank
LSU (7) beats the 14 rank
And somehow LSU leap-frogs VT and gets to play in the Championship game?
Since you brought up Kansas lets look at how the BCS system screwed them in the standings the week prior to the above Kansas was 2 they lost so in the same week as above they fell to 5 (still above both VT and LSU). Kansas was idle for the final week and fell from 5 to 8 even though two teams above them lost? They were jumped by LSU, Oklahoma, USC, and VT - true they all won their games and Kansas (5) was idle. So Kansas was idle and they got jumped by four teams; Georgia (4) was also idle and they were jumped by three teams, and Ohio State (3) who was also idle not only did not get jumped they moved up two spots?
And if VTs loss in their bowl justifies the BSC system, what does the thumping the Bucks have taken two years in a row tell us about the system?
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Posted on: 8:35 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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thailife
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I look at the LSU situation 2 ways. first, they very easily could have lost 4 games, not 2. the Auburn game in particular was won on a no-time left throw to the end zone and a great catch to win the game. A few other close games too, TN and FL....... but the strength of schedul eis what did it fo rthem..... The BCS system doesn't care about how you won, just that you did win. And winning against a lot of ranked teams put them in the stop to win it all.
I am not crazy about the system, people here have a great case about other teams that should have, could have, and desreved to be there. But the lesson is, play ranked teams and win and you get the shot.
Consider the BCS system a 'average of averages'. Fickle, incorrect and depending on when you lose and who you lose to will pretty much determine your slot. The computer numbers are what they are, but the other componants are merely someones vote. The case can be made that a lot of the 2 loss teams should have had the shot, but when you look at strength of schedule and when they lost and to who they lost it makes some sense.........
A good case in point was that after Michigan lost the opening game to Appalachian State, it was over for them no matter waht they did after that as the sports writers and coaches would talk down Michigan all season. A loss like that you simply can't recover from...........
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Posted on: 8:54 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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IBFarang
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It is pretty easy to defend LSU based upon strength of schedule but what about Ohio State? they did not play a single team ranked in the top 20 (at the time they played), and then lost to an unranked (at the time) Illinois. Granted Kansas did not beat a top 20 team either, but their only loss was to Missouri (ranked 4 at the time). Oklahoma beat top twenty teams and beat the number 1 team going into the bowls (Missouri) hell they beat Missouri twice. VT, yes two losses but they beat two top 20 teams in their final two games going into the bowls. Georgia beat three top twenty-five teams. Missouri, two losses but both to a top ten team (Oklahoma), and they beat three top twenty-five teams. The WV and USC schedules were about as light as Ohio State but I think the Big East has some real potential in coming years.
Very, very hard to justify Ohio States place in the championship game based upon strength of schedule.
The BSC handed us four fairly piss poor games, and one (Kansas over VT) decent ball game. With the exception of that Orange Bowl game there were at least ten better bowl games than any of the other BSC match-ups. And following the game I dont think there was much doubt in people minds that a number of other teams would have made for a better game against LSU as opposed to Ohio State.
IMHO if the NCAA sticks with the BCS system they will only encounter more years like the past two. It is getting more and more crowded at the top of the rankings and undefeated or one-loss teams are harder and harder to come by (especially in the Big 12 and SEC). I also think conferences like the BigTen, Big East, and PAC 10 have a big advantage because they do not play a championship game and therefore do not subject their top team to one final chance to lose just prior to BCS selection.
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Posted on: 9:54 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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thailife
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IB, good post an dhit the nail on the head... the top tier teams in the country will schedule just enough tough games to get that magic 1 loss ont heir record and then complain they should b ein th echampionship game. Good point about conference championship game too, that last 1 game can be a bitch.
Don't forget BC had a cakewlk too, but they ble wit. I remebr they wer eupset pick of the week near the end of the season and sure enough they were blwon out. Everyone knew they were not that good but at the time they were ranked 2 simply base don being a well known school and having a good record.
The answer is a four game playoff system with the top 8 tems, then 2, then one for all the roses............. That only adds 2 games for a small group of teams, huge revenue potential for everyone and an even playing field. of course you will always hear form the 9, 10 and 11 teams that they shoul dbe in the miox, but really, after 8 is there usually anyone that can play with 1-4? More often than not, the answer is no, and goign to the top 8 to duke it out would create a uge bonus for everyone invlolved, it staggers me how come they won't do it..........
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Posted on: 11:57 am on Jan. 10, 2008
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Mr Alan
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What most of you are missing (even though I explained it mutilple times) is that the polls and the BCS are not the same. The polls existed before the BCS. The BCS uses the polls to make sure that numbers 1 and 2 play each other in the BCS title game.
If you have a problem with the way people voted in the polls, why don't you contact them and complain. The BCS requires that all votes be made public (which is why the AP poll is no longer used), so you can find out who decided that LSU and OSU would play in the title game. I think they made the right decision.
These same polls (people) will decide who is ranked 1-8 in a playoff (if one is adopted). They will also determine (obviously) the seedings, which determines who plays whom in rounds 1 and 2.
So anyone who has a problem with the way the polls have made decisions, are likely to be equally disappointed in the future even if a playoff system is implemented.
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Posted on: 3:08 pm on Jan. 10, 2008
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from IBFarang on 10:21 am on Jan. 10, 2008
Nice thought out reasoned response.
Thank you.
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Posted on: 3:08 pm on Jan. 10, 2008
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