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Abrak
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The reason that sponsorship by and large fails is because it is based on 2 lies.
1. First the guy implies that if the girl is faithful he will 'look after her' for the remains of her life while he sneakily suspects that he will trade her in for a newer brighter model later.
2. The girl promises to be faithful when she really has no intention of being faithful because these are her best earning years and maybe a better offer will come and along and anyway she rightly suspects that guy will dump after a period of time cos he wants a newer brighter model.
Now an honest way to tackle this problem is to make the sponsorship a legal document. To say that you are prepared to pay a girl say Bt15,000 a month for the remains of her life so long as she remains faithful to you and that if you choose to trade her in for a newer model you will continue to pay that money. If on the other hand you, she changes her mind and shags someone else she loses this payment (or more specifically if she gets caught she loses this payment).
Now this sort of arrangement is more honest but it has its problems. I mean if you change your mind you are lumbered with a financial commitment. But, on the other hand, it makes you both more committed to make the relationship work. In particular, the BG who is after financial security afterall, knows that so long as she remains faithful she has it. That makes the cost of cheating much more expensive and therefore makes her less likely to cheat.
Incidentally, it gives you more financial commitment but also more freedom. If you meet a newer brighter model you can simply take her on the pay roll too and keep your slightly used girl.
Seems to me quite an interesting solution. You offer financial security to a girl in return for her faithfulness. She receives financial security which what she wants while you are still in a position to take advantage of your relative wealth to add another girl or two.
What I am suggesting is a contract that is half way between a rental (which is slightly unsatisfactory for both parties) and a marriage which seems far too restrictive.
Errr... anyone try this?
(PS. If you answer is that you are unprepared to make that sort of financial commitment to a girl, you should at least see why the girl is unprepare to make an emotional commitment to you.)
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Posted on: 11:54 am on June 17, 2005
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ColoradoGuy
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Is it possible that an arrangement like this would cause the girl, when she wants out, to be so insufferable and miserable to you that you would seek other companionship, then her fidelity to you would be off the hook and she still gets the money?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 12:01 pm on June 17, 2005
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China Sailor
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Errrrr...
It sounds like most pre-nups to me, to wit.. marriage without the ceremony
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Posted on: 12:10 pm on June 17, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Abrak on 12:06 am on June 18, 2005
(PS. If you answer is that you are unprepared to make that sort of financial commitment to a girl, you should at least see why the girl is unprepare to make an emotional commitment to you.)
(High-Five's Abrak!)
Seriously, you've hit one of the nails on the head, here - particularly that these guys invariably demand and expect a type of committment from the girl, that they themselves are not willing to give.
I'm certain TPE's case files are filled with guys that need to verify if their girl can be trusted, all the while they actively shag everything they can, when their girl's not looking.
Aside from the obvious hypocrisy, it also really makes these guys into a laughing stock, as they obsess over 'their girl' and whine about honesty and trust.
All I can think, whenver I read these stories, is: "Get a clue!"
(Hey, nothing wrong about shagging everything in sight, or cheating on your wife, or gf -- just don't be a hypocrite about it)
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Posted on: 2:26 pm on June 17, 2005
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Oaktoad
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you can't be serious.. a legal contract.. how would it be enforced.. the guy goes back to ?? and doesn't send money?? in the USA it is not legal as you are contracting for sex and that is an illegal act and is not enforceable in the courts..
some guys really do have too much time on their hands..
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Posted on: 7:29 pm on June 17, 2005
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Bull
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Why anyone would engage in sponsorship, be it regular, or as you say, "honest," is beyond me. If you're already thinking about getting a newer model, why the hell do you care if the other one is faithful? And why would anyone want to be saddled with a monthly payment?
I've heard some crazy shit before, but this takes the cake.
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Posted on: 7:46 pm on June 17, 2005
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Abrak
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Quote: from ColoradoGuy on 12:13 am on June 18, 2005
Is it possible that an arrangement like this would cause the girl, when she wants out, to be so insufferable and miserable to you that you would seek other companionship, then her fidelity to you would be off the hook and she still gets the money?
Yes CG that is possible. But lets be a little more positive. Lets assume that both parties are genuinely honest. You as fairly well off farang want a cute young Thai girl to emotionally commit to you, you have money so you are willing to exhange some of that for your commitment. You are also fallible, in that you know that (as you cant predict the future) you might trade her in for a younger model in a few years time. You hope that is the not the case, she is a nice girl (and she is already 15 years younger than you) so ifyou change your mind (while she has remained faithful to you) while shouldnt she be entitled to still keep the cash.
Now what we all see in TGs is that they are perfectly prepared to trade fidelity for security. (I believe that it is an inherent part of their culture.) It is something about the fact that money really does matter and does buy you a lot of freedom. If you are prepared to commit financially to them they are prepared to commit emotionally to you. Now they might change their mind but they have an solid financial commitment not to as do you.
It is a half way house between dishonest sponsorship (where the guy only makes a temporary financial commitment) and marriage (whereby the guy makes a permanent financial and emotional commitment).
What it does it open up a third path. One that is potentially really attractive to both parties. That you could have the girls fidelity (because if she broke it, should would lose her financial security) but that you could have a chick or two on the side (so long as you maintained the financial security with that girl).
If you consider the concept of polygamy - it has existed in many species (including the human race) and as been part of Thai culture forever. If you are honest what polygamy is about is saying that as I have lots of money I can afford many girls because that is the best offer open to them. Dishonesty can only exist temporarily in evolution, if you are honest many different types of relationship become viable.
All you have to accept here is that a girl can genuinely like you for your money. I know from a western perspective that is slightly alien but if you really think about it, it is true at actually very honest. If you are prepared to make an honest financial commitment, then she will be prepared to make an honest emotional commitment because your cash will mean that she can achieve so many other goals in life (look after her parents, stop working in a bar, maybe have a car).
It is also honest for the guy. It enables you to make a financial commitment that you might easily have the financial resources to do without making the emotional commitment (fidelity) which we all know from experience is very difficult.
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Posted on: 8:04 pm on June 17, 2005
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Abrak
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If you're already thinking about getting a newer model, why the hell do you care if the other one is faithful? And why would anyone want to be saddled with a monthly payment?
I've heard some crazy shit before, but this takes the cake.
Oh so you have never been married I guess. Under a marriage contract you have to make both a financial deal and promise to remain faithful (something that most guys find rather difficult).
PS. Many guys do care if there girl is faithful, it is often the most important thing in a relationship for a guy. It might surprise you to know that the girl doesnt value your sexual fidelity that highly but does value your money. It is really a simple trade which leaves open the possibility in the future that she will remain sexually faithful to you if you remain financially faithful to her.
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Posted on: 8:09 pm on June 17, 2005
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DSBones
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I have often thought about this issue.
I am aware that a TG is highly marketable in her twenties & that they need to make as much money as possible.
I do not make any demands on my TG - she is free to do whatever she likes. I do not sponsor her but I see her every month & look after her while I am in Bkk.
The only thing she has ever asked is that if we split up I do not leave it too late. I know of a couple of asian girls who have been in long relationships with falangs and been very pissed off when it ended. Not because of their love for the guy but they felt they had wasted 2-3 yrs of their life when they could have been casting their net wider. I think even the Thai middle class do this with Falangs...as one TG told me "we like to have choices".
Falangs in Thailand are fickle & the girls know this. Why hang your hat on a relationship that only has a slim chance of success? Is that fair..I don't think so.
How about a sliding scale of payments based on how long you have been together & how long you stay together? You can do this even if you are married. This would protect your assets and give the TG some reassurance that if she was dumped,at say age 35, after six years she would at least receive a settlement figure. It takes the romance out of the situation but what the heck.
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Posted on: 8:10 pm on June 17, 2005
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Abrak
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Quote: from Bull on 7:58 am on June 18, 2005
Why anyone would engage in sponsorship, be it regular, or as you say, "honest," is beyond me. If you're already thinking about getting a newer model, why the hell do you care if the other one is faithful? And why would anyone want to be saddled with a monthly payment?
I've heard some crazy shit before, but this takes the cake.
Bull,
Why not try recognising human infallibility. That you might both enter a contract be it marriage or sponsorship for all the right reasons but that after 5 years or so you (either of you) might change your mind.
If you cant understand sponsorship, then you are inherently saying that the guy who does it is stupid. Funnily enough I find honest sponsorship, far more easy a concept to grasp than marriage because it recognises the inherent weaknesses and motivations of both females and males.
You probably dont understand polygamy either.
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Posted on: 8:27 pm on June 17, 2005
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