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sanook269
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The most popular airline in that part of the world, or at least from the West Coast of the U.S. to Asia, I've found, is EVA Air out of Taiwan. They are booked months in advance and have NEVER been able to accommodate me when I've wanted to change a departure date. EVA has never had a accident and has a large and very loyal customer base.
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Posted on: 7:55 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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mokewen
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depends who you sit next to........
Otherwise - a good airline who stops in HK on the way over from the USA.
moke
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Posted on: 10:04 am on Nov. 6, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from sanook269 on 7:49 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
EVA has never had a accident and has a large and very loyal customer base.
http://aviation-safety.net/pictures/displayphoto.php?id=20040523-I-0&vnr=1&kind=I
But you are right, they have not had any fatalities, but as statistics go, this only increases the likelyhood of a future accident - probabilities are a bitch 
Eventually, ALL airlines have accidents, when I choose a carrier, I care more about : legroom (CI has better than Cathay), ability to change bookings (CI will accomodate, Cathay does not charge for it) ; very late departure (both CI and Cathay accomodate) - I personally do not care about the food, or other inflight amenities as much, as I tend to sleep through for the duration of the flight)
Haven't flown on EVA, so I can't discuss the above issues.
Harry
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Posted on: 3:23 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
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Mr Alan
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You have to read the fine print of the fatality statistics at the web site above. They include fatalities due to any cause. Here is one example of a "fatal event":
2August 1997; Continental Airlines Boeing 757-200; Lima, Peru:
During passenger boarding, an elderly passenger in a wheelchair was assisted up the rear portable stairs by a gate agent. The passenger was instructed by the gate agent to remain at the top of the steps while the agent loaded the wheelchair into the cargo bin. However, the passenger continued to walk into the aircraft, through the aft galley and then through the catering door. The passenger fell to the tarmac through a space between the catering truck and the airplane. The passenger died from the fall injuries. The eight crew members and 141 other passengers were not injured.
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Posted on: 6:36 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
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Mr Alan
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Other "fatal events" included in the stats:
4 January 1998; Olympic Airways 747; over Atlantic Ocean:
Prior to the flight from Athens to New York, a passenger who had asthma and a history of sensitivity to secondhand smoke requested seating in the non-smoking area of the aircraft. Once onboard, the passenger's family discovered that their assigned seats were three rows ahead of the economy class smoking section. This smoking section was not partitioned off from the non-smoking section. Prior to takeoff and during the flight, one of the passenger's family members made three requests of the cabin crew to switch seats, but the cabin crew did not arrange for a switch into one of the 11 available unoccupied seats on the aircraft. Several hours into the flight, the passenger suffered a reaction to the ambient smoke and died.
A U.S. District Court determined that exposure to ambient second-hand smoke was the primary cause of the passenger's death. The U.S. Supreme Court, in a decision made on 24 February 2004, held that this event constituted an accident under Article 17 of the Warsaw Convention, an international treaty that among other things defines an accident as something that is an “unexpected or unusual event or happening that is external to the passenger.” There were 411 passengers on the flight.
2 October 1990; China Southern Airlines 757-200; Guanghou Airport, China:
The 757 was struck on the ground by a hijacked Xiamen Airlines 737-200 that was attempting to land. There were 46 fatalities among the 110 passengers.
Note: this counts as a fatal event against both airlines.
5 July 1972; Pacific Southwest 737-200; San Francisco, CA:
The aircraft was on a scheduled flight from Sacramento to San Francisco when shortly before landing it was hijacked by two armed men who intended to have the aircraft fly to the Soviet Union. After landing in San Francisco, the aircraft was directed to an isolated part of the airport while the hijackers negotiated with authorities. Later, an armed FBI agent posing as the pilot that would fly the aircraft to the Soviet Union entered the aircraft while, unknown to the hijackers, three other armed FBI agents were able to position themselves near the front entry door. As the three outside FBI agents began to climb the stairs to enter the aircraft, a gun battle broke out which resulted in the deaths of both of the hijackers and one of the 77 passengers. Two other passengers were wounded, but survived. None of the seven crew members were injured.
Note: if only the hijackers had died, then this would not have been counted against the airline as a "fatal event."
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Posted on: 6:51 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
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maxozzie
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Quote: from sanook269 on 12:34 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
These three happened to be together on the chart so
here they are:
Airline--------------------Rate--Flights--FLE*--Events--Last
Cathay Pacific.............1.45...0.69M--1.00........1....1972
China Airlines (Taiwan)..7.16..0.90M--6.44......10....2002
EVA Air........................0.00...UNK---0.00........0-...
*FLE - Full Loss Equivalent: This is the sum of the proportions of passengers killed for each fatal event. For example, 50 out of 100 passengers killed on a flight is an FLE of 0.50, 1 of 100 would be a FLE of 0.01. The fatal event rate for a set of fatal events is found by dividing the total FLE by the number of flights in millions.
The URL is here:
http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/asia.htm
Of course, Cathay Pacific has been flying since 1946 and China Air since 1959. EVA has been airborne only since 1989 and is relatively new. Give em time, I'm sure one of their aircraft will go down in a flaming fireball at some point.
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Posted on: 9:55 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
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sanook269
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hzink wrote:
Quote: from sanook269 on 7:49 pm on Nov. 6, 2004
EVA has never had a accident and has a large and very loyal customer base.
http://aviation-safety.net/pictures/displayphoto.php?id=20040523-I-0&vnr=1&kind=I
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Great picture, but hardly qualifies as an "fatal accident."
That 747 was parked, away from the terimnal, while techs were investigating a another problem, so it doesn't even qualify
as a "serious" accident. An expensive accident, even a humorous accident, unless, of course you own the aircraft, but a serious accident, No. I bet someone's ass was in hot water for that one.
If I had pick from Cathay Pacific (CX), China Air (CI), and EVA (BR), just based on personal experiences and not knowing or caring a thing about their safety records, I would pick CI. In "economy" or "cattle class" (thank you, Andrew) CI gives you more leg room than the other two. In business class the service is excellent. Neither CI or CX charge to change your returning departure dates.
BTW, CX who, as it has been pointed out, has been flying since 1946 (started by an American and an Australian, btw) has only had ONE fatal "incident" in their history:
"15 June 1972; Cathay Pacific Convair 880; near Pleiku, South Vietnam: The aircraft was on a flight from Bangkok to Hong Kong when the aircraft crashed after a bomb detonated on board. The bombing was apparently done as part of an attempted passenger insurance fraud. All 71 passengers and 10 crew members were killed."
Throws those statistical probabilities right out the window, don't you think?
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Posted on: 1:14 am on Nov. 7, 2004
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mm3
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If you have to fly economy from the U.S. to Asia in either United Airlines, China Airlines or Japan Airlines, which one would you pick? And why?
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Posted on: 7:09 am on Nov. 7, 2004
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CalEden
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Was told by a friend that went to LOS last week. So second hand info. Flying EVA, but transpacific flight is Delta. Is EVA code sharing with Delta? Bummer if true!
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Posted on: 1:27 pm on Nov. 7, 2004
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sanook269
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mm3,
I have not flown United to Asia as I don't care for their schedule that brings you into BKK around midnight, BUT between Japan Airlines and China Air, China Air wins hands down. Why? More leg room, wider seats, better on board service and, for me, a more convenient schedule, but they don't have all the latest electronic gadgets you find on JAL. Their newest 747s may have the latest gadgets, I don't know. Due to bad weather I once spent 14 hours on a Japan Airlines Flight to Tokyo with my knees firmly up against the seat in front of me. Never again. JAL is suppose to be a fine airline, but Not if you are over about 5'6" tall. Returning via Singapore was even worst. Overall, Japan Airlines was the WORST travel experience of my life. NEVER again.
CalEden,
Yes, unfortuntely, EVA is a code share partner with Delta. Delta, while they maintain an office in BKK, does not fly their own aircraft into BKK. It is usually, Korean Air, China Air, or EVA. Recently, last summer, I made a trip via Delta's code sharing program as it was the only way I could buy a ticket at the last minute on the day I wanted to travel. I flew Korean Air across the Pacific and Asiana from Seoul to BKK, and returned via EVA from BKK to Taipei, and China Air from Taipei back across the Pacific. Did that twice and hope to never have to do it again. Actually, I liked Korean Air. Their 777-200 is very comfortable, but, unfortunately, their schedule out of my nearest international airport is similar to United's.
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Posted on: 8:51 pm on Nov. 7, 2004
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