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China Sailor
Dig deep enough and you will always find a second opinion.

Best bet is to follow the money and see who is getting it and for what.... you might be surprised...



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Posted on: 4:10 am on April 22, 2010
Broken Leg

Quote: from magnum on 3:32 pm on April 22, 2010
but maybe someone can comment further on this



I think conspiracy is a bad choice of words.

Conspiracy would suggest that it had all been planned from the start. It also has other negative connotations, and lumps everybody together. Effectively aligning legitamte scientific concerns with 'crackpot ideas'.

People like the reappraising aids group that you pointed out are not crackpots. They believe the HIV = AIDS = Death hypothesis was developed from significant scientific errors.

In effect the basic rules of science were broken again and again and now like a snowball rolling down the hill, the aids juggernaut has become so big, seemingly nothing will stop it.

This film covers most of the major points and is quite easy to understand. It is a couple of hours long though.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/aids-inc/

Also considering the OP - the idea that the availability of mass testing in rural areas is a good thing - this account of AIDS in Africa is also very interesting.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=20878







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Posted on: 9:02 am on April 22, 2010
S M E G M A
Broken Leg, don't be so lazy. Just google and you will find tons of med related sites reporting "normal" T-cells count to be above 500. Just do the same that you would do if you wanted to look for normal values of red blood cells, or any other thing measurable at labs like blood sugar or hemoglobin or whatnot.


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Posted on: 10:21 am on April 22, 2010
Broken Leg
I'm being lazy!?! LOL.

I'm not interested in a website telling me what is normal.

I'm interested in reading the scientific studies where the website got these normal ranges from.

T cells can range hugely in an individual, even within the course of a day.

And even before looking at this you need studies that show that T cells circulating in the blood directly relate to the strength of a persons immune system.

The aids inc video above actually goes into this in quite a lot of detail, you may find it interesting.


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Posted on: 10:55 am on April 22, 2010
S M E G M A
Lets then say that I am more lazy than you as I am not going to do the looking for you .

By the way, to establish "normal" levels (for anything) you do not need complicated research. Just lots of observations under controlled (lab) conditions.


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Posted on: 11:49 am on April 22, 2010
MickTheKick

Quote: from S M E G M A on 11:49 pm on April 22, 2010
By the way, to establish "normal" levels (for anything) you do not need complicated research. Just lots of observations under controlled (lab) conditions.

Errrr... ???

lots of observations under controlled (lab) conditions = complicated research


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Posted on: 11:55 am on April 22, 2010
China Sailor
Mick,

Actually my doctor calls that an 'Annual Physical'.

What I believe Smegs is talking about is establishing a baseline and observing the deviations from it over time.... much as a doctor does when taking your blood pressure and temp each time you visit a clinic...



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Posted on: 8:31 pm on April 22, 2010
     

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