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Mel Gibson
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I agree to disagree. I disagree that my judgement is clouded.
May I ask why you hopped on the popular band-wagon and just singled me out for comment???
Perhaps you don't really have an opinion but just float along in the flock ( well gaggle in this case).
I am yet to read a single valid argument against having seperate smoking and non-smoking bars.
As I said "valid",, I mean that crud you came up with about signs banning Blacks etc was pathetic at best.
Daffy's foolishness about the MIB being unable to enforce non universal rules is another example of crud,, they manage to even enforce different speed limits on different classes of vehicles.
Mel.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:50 am on Feb. 26, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Mel Gibson on 11:05 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
As I said "valid",, I mean that crud you came up with about signs banning Blacks etc was pathetic at best..
"valid" meaning "something that allows him to smoke"
Quote: from Mel Gibson on 11:05 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
Daffy's foolishness about the MIB being unable to enforce non universal rules is another example of crud,, they manage to even enforce different speed limits on different classes of vehicles.
As NicFrenchy pointed out - your judgment is heavily clouded...
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:37 am on Feb. 26, 2008
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black cats
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Well after weighing in on the Pattaya forum about this subject and reading all of these pages, I lost track of the score. It's irrelevant though because the non smokers have won.
One thing that shocks me is that placing the health and safety of individuals above the financial interests of multinational corporations and even some mom and pop businesses, which I believe is the fundamental priority and purpose of government, is rapidly coming into being over large tracts of the earth.
That usually doesn't happen. More often mom and pops and corporations form lobbies to get governments to write laws allowing the business world to undermine health and safety. Usually boosting employment is the lame excuse.
Pick up a bag or box of any snack food and see if it doesn't contain some variant of hydrogenated oil. Good luck, virtually every product does. For those who don't know, hydrogenated oil contains trans fats which surpass saturated fats in the task of raising cholesterol.
For this reason NYC banned the use of hydrogenated oils in restaurants. That's another victory for public safety. I'd like to see hydrogenated additives banned from all food. Its purpose is to prolong shelf life, which boosts profits at the expense of your health, not to mention your children if you have any.
Sure we have a choice not to eat those foods or to prepare every meal at home, but that would sure slow society and commerce down quite a bit. An unacceptable bit if you ask me.
I can't get people who so object to people's health and safety being protected by the law. It seems that these laws are also intended to give a hint to some people to examine just what it is they are doing with their lives. I mean equating smoking to freedom of speech...please.
Sure you have a right to both, but I can say that one activity frees you and harms no one. The other one kills you AND others around you. The nerve of a muthaf***a trying to defend harming people so as to pursue his "pleasure."
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:49 am on Feb. 26, 2008
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Sporadic
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Just my.02
Smokers are not banned. Smoking is banned. An act, not a person.
Workers have a right (well, in some countries) to a reasonably safe environment, having smoking and non-smoking bars would effectively ban non-smokers from a safe working environment, or a job opportunity.
Governments protecting us from ourselves: This bothers the shit out of me on many levels, I never liked the idea of a nanny state, and I fear said state could have no limits; "donīt read that, it could hurt you!"
I smoke.
I do not smoke where it is not permitted.
I also do not park in handicapped parking places.
I do monger though.
Smoking is slowly becoming socially unacceptable in many parts of the world. This is generational as much as legislative.
Treating smokers like evil people is hardly PC, we are obviously all a downtrodden, addicted minority, abused by the evil multinationals.
Ok, just kidding about that last one.
Everyone owes a debt of gratitude to smokers, they pay very high taxes for their habit, and it is generally agreed that they will not be a long-term geriatric burden on any public health service, having died younger than the non-smoking population.*
*Disclaimer.
None of the foregoing should be construed as agreeing with Mel in any way shape or form. 
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:34 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from black cats on 2:04 am on Feb. 27, 2008
I mean equating smoking to freedom of speech...please.
It's the addiction talking...
Quote: from black cats on 2:04 am on Feb. 27, 2008
Sure you have a right to both, but I can say that one activity frees you and harms no one. The other one kills you AND others around you. The nerve of a muthaf***a trying to defend harming people so as to pursue his "pleasure."
Mostly, simple people suffering an addiction do not see anything, except their simple need. There are certainly smarter people smoking, who can act responsibly, or who simply agree about their addiction - then again, these folks are usually just non-smokers in training.
I have a sister, who smoked for well around 35-40 years. Nastiest habit, and some of the most ridiculous arguments ensued about 'how it's not harmful', and how 'nothing has been proven'. Honestly, at one point I just gave up, and told her quite clearly that she is free to smoke as much as she wants, but should she ever end up in the hospital for any sort of smoking related illness, she should not expect to see me, or receive any support from me.
She stopped 2 years ago. Been smoke free since then - I'm very proud of her, though sadly, the damage had already been done. Her kids have been smoking, and continue to smoke, for the past 10 years. This despite her 'no smoking anywhere near them' (hear that, Mel). Now, both kids are regurgitating the same lame excuses their Mom used in the past.
Oh, and my parents never smoked. Somehow, I never felt like needing to smoke (or booze, or drink coffee). Weird.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:40 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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bkkz
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Quote: from Sporadic on 4:49 am on Feb. 27, 2008
Everyone owes a debt of gratitude to smokers, they pay very high taxes for their habit, and it is generally agreed that they will not be a long-term geriatric burden on any public health service, having died younger than the non-smoking population.
Actually, you could live longer since you'd be happier doing what you like to do versus not doing it all. Like I said before, so long as I don't have to breathe it, I don't really care if you smoke. Anyway, I smoke Shisha these days, not cigarettes  though.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:45 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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black cats
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To Sporadic, I agree that there government should not be your nanny. That's how marijuana cam to be illegal, and here we are ruining people's lives for a past time that is much safer than drinking alcohol, both short and long term.
But I don't think non smokers should have to bear breathing their second hand smoke either. Growing up with a mother who smokes (still) had the opposite effect on me. I still remember being in cars with recirculated air and cigarette smoke. No doubt it affected me. Some parents need hints about parenting unfortunately. The public smoking bans will hopefully PERSUADE smokers to stop smoking where it will affect their children. If they were mindful of this in the first place, Nanny would lower her cane.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:58 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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NicFrenchy
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Quote: from Mel Gibson on 11:05 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
I agree to disagree. I disagree that my judgement is clouded.
ok, I believe you
May I ask why you hopped on the popular band-wagon and just singled me out for comment???
Wasn't a personal attack Mel, did not mean to "single you out", if you were Offended, I apologize.
Perhaps you don't really have an opinion but just float along in the flock ( well gaggle in this case).
I am yet to read a single valid argument against having seperate smoking and non-smoking bars.
As I said "valid",, I mean that crud you came up with about signs banning Blacks etc was pathetic at best.
Perhaps? either you are sure or you aren't. Which is it?
And if you read the Thread carefully, I have stated clearly my point of view on the subject, maybe you read it but Forgot? so it is true then that smoking kills brain cells... careful there Mel, your addiction might bring you more than you hoped for.
I smoked for over 10 years (started very early, thanks to both Smoking Parents but been smoke free for few years now) and never was addicted enough to have the urge to "light up" everywhere. Even as a smoker I used to Hate Smokey environments as the Stench of an After party was really bad.
But I am stupid, no point arguing with an addict. Take care Mel, and thanks for not polluting our Bangkok Bars 
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:44 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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Oldspice47
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Look guy's. This debate just goes on and on, around and around. No one is saying smoke in every bar. But I see no good answer for smoking and no smoking bars. Does this not make everybody happy. This is the point. Not all the other BS.
Oldspice
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:25 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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expatchuck
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It appears to me the entire point is...now it is against the law to smoke in bars or restaurants.
The law was enacted by the government of Thailand and nary a soul on this forum was consulted prior to it's enactment. All of this wailing and gnashing of teeth does little good other than to give vent to your anger at a new law with which you disagree.
You either obey the law or you don't. If you choose not to obey the law then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences.
This is post number 110 on a subject which nobody can do anything about. We need to let this go.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:32 pm on Feb. 26, 2008
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