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Smegma
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The forum doesn't seem very active now.... so where else to post to kill time better than here? 
The statistics so far show that 100% of those with AIDS are HIV+. However this is to be expected as the only reason one's specific condition can be classified as AIDS is:
a) have a positive HIV antibody test
b) have a T-cell count of 200 or less
If you have a T-cell count of 200 or less and you go and die of any of the usual 30 things that end up killing most people with such low T-cell counts, then you are considered to have died of something different than AIDS.
Reading at that other forum, I found this:
"In 1992, there was a BIG bru-ha-ha over "HIV-free AIDS cases". Doctors were making reports about such cases at the '92 Amsterdam AIDS Conference. Tony Fauci was SUMMONED over there (he flew over on AIR Force Two, that's how URGENT this was!) to step in and SQUELCH any mutiny that may have ensued as a result of the "HIV-free AIDS" reports.
This "condition" was subsequently re-named (and, hence, re-CLASSIFIED as) "ICL", for "Idiopathic CD4 Lymphocytopenia." Since that time, any reports of "HIV-free AIDS" are classified as "ICL" and NOT as "AIDS".
This would seem to help self-perpetuate the current views and kill any dissenting views. Obviously, no way now anyone can disagree with HIV and AIDS being together forever.
Interestingly, all this makes impossible for a person that tests positive to HIV to ever have ICL.
By the way, for those with the time to read and interested in the topic, these two articles are very informative on how this "AIDS myth" got started (bad science) :
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cjinterviewep.htm
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/epgallo.htm
I was very surprised to read this in the first link above:
(EPE is the doctor interviewed by CJ)
"EPE: No, but perhaps I can explain things more clearly by talking about what has been done. Some of Gallo's experiments from 1984.
CJ: Isn't 1984 a bit ancient?
EPE: No because that's when the best research on HIV isolation was done. Those experiments are vitally important because everything believed and taught about HIV is founded on what happened back then.
CJ: Everything?
EPE: Yes every single solitary thing. Whether an HIV particle has been isolated and therefore any claim that it exists. The HIV proteins used in the antibody tests. The RNA used especially to diagnose children infected with HIV and now used to measure the so called viral load. And more. But the question is are they good enough?
CJ: Good enough?
EPE: Good enough to claim the existence of a unique retrovirus called HIV and that it causes AIDS.
CJ: OK. Tell us about Gallo's experiments. Why was he interested in AIDS anyway?
EPE: By 1984 Gallo had already spent more than a decade researching retroviruses and cancer. He was one of the many virologists caught up in President Nixon's decade of war against cancer. In the mid 1970s Gallo claimed to have discovered the first human retrovirus in patients with leukaemia. He claimed his data proved the existence of a retrovirus which he called HL23V. (11,21) Now, just like he would later do for HIV, Gallo used antibody reactions to "prove" which proteins in the cultures were viral proteins. And not long afterwards others claimed to have found the same antibodies in many people who did not have leukaemia. However, a few years after that these same antibodies were shown to occur naturally and be directed against many substances that had nothing to do with retroviruses. (22,23) Then it was realised that HL23V was a big mistake. There was no HL23V retrovirus. So the Gallo data turned out to be an embarrassment and HL23V is now extinct. What’s interesting for us though is that the evidence used to claim proof of the existence of HL23V is the same kind of evidence said to prove the existence of HIV. In fact the evidence for HL23V was better than HIV."
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:44 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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Thanks Smegs, interesting posts asusual.
To all others, if you have read my posts, then you will know that I am NOT telling anyone not to practice safe sex or that HIV-AIDS is not true. I wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter and it is/was interesting, except Fastmovers... as usual his 2 cents add nothing.
>>Maybe your friend does work for Nippon Roche Ltd., perhaps in the accounting department, who knows.
If your info is so earth shattering call Time or Newsweek.
I find your tone infantile and disrespectful. Have a good day.
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Well, ya swift-doper, they are writing a piece for Nature, it will then be reviewed by collegues in the field. It will be relating experimental vaccines re: HIV + rhesus monkeys. (pardon my spellings). It will probably appear in the November issue. If it does, then ha ha to you.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 5:21 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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fastmover
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"ha ha to you"
Well at least you maintained your sense of humour........
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:52 pm on Mar. 10, 2004
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Smegma
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You cannot even believe the test results you get. For one they are not very accurate. Then they get it wrong themselves.
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City hospital's HIV testing manipulated Evidence of false results ignored by lab workers at Md. General, state says; More than 400 people affected; Hospital president says patients will be notified to return for free re-tests
By Walter F. Roche Jr.
Sun Staff
Originally published March 11, 2004
Hundreds of patients at Maryland General Hospital might have received incorrect HIV and hepatitis test results during a 14-month period ending in August of last year, and the hospital failed to notify the patients of the problem, state officials say.
"I think this is unconscionable behavior: people not being told about the status of their tests," said Nelson J. Sabatini, secretary of the state Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
Sabatini said that some patients might have been told they were HIV-negative when, in fact, they were positive. Others might have been told their test was positive when it was actually negative, he said. (this is just great!
A positive HIV test indicates the presence of the virus that causes AIDS. Hepatitis C, for which some patients were tested, can cause a chronic liver infection that could lead to liver failure and cancer.
Acting on a complaint apparently filed by a former hospital employee, state health officials discovered in January that the Baltimore hospital's laboratory personnel overrode controls in the testing equipment that showed the results might be in error, then mailed them to patients anyway.
In an interview yesterday, Maryland General President Timothy D. Miller insisted that executives of the hospital knew nothing about the problem until they were notified by the state in late January.
State health officials, however, said that during their inspection hospital supervisors had admitted to them that the questionable test results should never have been reported to patients.
The testing problem affected about 460 patients, most of whom were tested for HIV, according to Miller. He added that efforts were under way to notify the patients and urge them to return to the hospital for a free re-test.
A special hot line is being set up today for people to call.
"We want to make this right," Miller said, adding that he and other hospital officials were hopeful that in most cases the original test results will turn out to be accurate.
How many patients received incorrect information won't be known until patients are contacted and re-tested. And state and local officials say it might be impossible to reach some because many of the patients are believed to be homeless.
Sabatini said it was too early to determine whether any penalties will be imposed on the hospital. Hospital officials said they planned no punitive action against employees.
59 prove accurate
In what he described as an encouraging sign, Miller said the hospital already had determined that the initial tests for 59 of those patients were accurate. In those cases, hospital records show that the patients had returned for follow-up treatment.
But Miller said one patient who had been told he did not have hepatitis C turned out to have the virus.
"This is the kind of thing that keeps doctors awake at night," said Dr. Jack Manzari, the medical director at the hospital, a 250-bed affiliate of the University of Maryland Medical System. "We are sorry."
Sabatini indicated state officials will accept nothing less than an all-out effort to reach the patients.
"I am adamant that each and every one of the people that could possibly be affected be contacted and urged to come in for a re-test. Just sending a letter is not going to satisfy me," Sabatini said. "They have a right to know and a right to be re-tested."
The testing problem was uncovered by state inspectors who made two visits to Maryland General in January. The inspectors, through interviews with hospital personnel and a review of records, discovered that employees in the hospital's lab deliberately manipulated control test results to eliminate data showing the patients' tests might be inaccurate.
The state inspectors found that over a 14-month period ending in August, 10 percent to 15 percent of the HIV tests performed might have been inaccurate.
Backup test
Miller said the review thus far showed no evidence that patients who were told they were HIV-positive were actually HIV-negative. He said such a result was unlikely because a second test is performed whenever a positive result is reported.
Sabatini and Baltimore Health Commissioner Peter C. Beilenson said in separate interviews that they regard the situation as extremely serious and stressed that they don't yet know the full scope of the problem. Other tests at the facility, Sabatini said, might also be suspect.
The health secretary said that a complete review of the hospital's lab operations will likely be undertaken to determine whether there are additional problems.
"I think we need to go in and do a much more in-depth review of the whole lab operation. How do we know there aren't others?" he asked.
Miller, the hospital executive, said an already completed internal review and the report of an outside consultant showed no other problems. He attributed the problems with the HIV and hepatitis testing to a combination of "human error and equipment problems."
According to the nine-page state inspection report, hospital personnel failed to follow the standards set by the manufacturer of the test equipment. Under those guidelines, technicians are supposed to check the accuracy of the machines on a regular basis by using pre-tested samples.
When those results fall outside prescribed limits, the tests on recently completed patient samples are supposed to be repeated.
'Changed the numbers'
But, according to the report, when tests on known samples fell outside the acceptable limits, hospital personnel simply edited the data to make it appear the results were normal. They then failed to re-test the patients' specimens and sent the suspect results to patients.
"They are supposed to run controls, but when the controls didn't turn out right, they just changed the numbers," one state health official said.
State inspectors reported that hospital laboratory officials conceded during a meeting in late January that there had been other warning signs of inaccurate results. According to the report, when samples from patients were sent to an outside laboratory for confirmation, those results often conflicted with the hospital's test results.
Sabatini said the first priority will be to ensure that all the patients who got the suspect test results are identified and informed. Beilenson, who just learned of the problem this week, said he will be working with Sabatini and his staff to deal with the problem.
"I'm really quite disturbed. They apparently knew there was a problem," Beilenson said, noting that the hospital halted its HIV testing program in August.
Miller said the tests were discontinued because of unrelated problems with the testing equipment.
The report concludes that the problems were the result of a lack of training and the absence of a quality control plan.
"There were no records to show that correction of errors were made in a timely manner; and no records to show that testing personnel, both past and present, were trained properly and evaluated for competency," the report states.
Two employees
Miller attributed the problems to poor communication. He said two people were responsible for the erroneous data, one of whom is no longer employed by the hospital. There's no plan to take action against the remaining employee, he said.
Beilenson said the long delay will make the notification process even more difficult because the patients tested likely included homeless people and substance abusers.
"That's just awful," said J. Peter Sabonis of the Homeless Persons Representation Project, when informed of the test result problems. "I hope to God those numbers are right and the problem isn't larger."
Echoing Beilenson's concerns, Sabonis said, "A lot of these folks aren't ever going to be found."
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:32 pm on Mar. 14, 2004
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CafeDelMar
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Just expressing my thanks to Smegs for the great links.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:31 pm on Mar. 22, 2004
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LivinLOS
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Just to skip back to a few older posts...
Yes I know of both Farangs and BG's whom have contacted HIV+ in Thailand... I also know a GoGo girl who pays to have 'clean' blood tests monthly so she can afford to pay for her HIV supression meds (20k +- per month).. She is VERY careful of only safe sex so I am told.
Lastly I know of a guy who ended up marrying a BG and lived for years with her never using a condom. She was disgnosed as HIV+ and he was not. Thats after many many years of daily sexual contact !!! He is still with her and she is on the meds in Europe.
Current meds are giving 15+ years of quality lifespan as long as its detected early and closely monitored for T Cells down in the 400 - 500 range. Any more progress on virial suppression and its not unlikely to think that 25 - 30 years may be possible by the time that current infectee's are reaching the end of available meds.
Test regularly.. Dont BB if you can help it, but there is hope.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:56 am on Mar. 31, 2004
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ThaidUp
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Just recently, the FDA approved a 20 minute test for HIV. It is a cotton swab that is inserted in the mouth. I do not know if this will be available over the counter or just used by medical personnel, but it would be a big seller in Thailand. I have to do some more research on this one. It looks very promising.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:41 am on Mar. 31, 2004
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ThaidUp
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Interesting reading, according to the study "Sexual intercourse was reported by 90.9% of the men: 79.6% reported sex with women only, 10.9% with men and women and 0.4% with men only. Sex with a female prostitute, ever, was reported by 74.7% of men and was highly associated with HIV-1 infection...Factors not significantly associated with HIV-1 infection included anal sex with men, ever, reported by 126 (11.3%) men: 111 (10.0%) reported insertive and 46 (4.1%) reported receptive anal sex. None of the 46 men who reported receptive anal sex was HIV-1 seropositive, compared with eight (10.0%) of the 80 men who reported only insertive anal sex with a man (P = 0.03)...'
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So I guess it pays to take it in the ass
Just goes to show you statistics can be made to justify anything.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:53 am on Mar. 31, 2004
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