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Mr Alan

Quote: from Mel Gibson on 10:10 am on Feb. 24, 2008
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Don't tell me the USA is behind the times?,, GOD forbid.

How can that be,,, shit,, the sky is falling, the world may end!!!!

As stated I have Mobile wireless,, I can use that in any major city and most minor cities in Australia,, yes even in Perth some 3,500KM away.
AUD $29 per month 2 GIG download and free mobile wireless modem. I could have chosen 5 gig per month at the same price with less speed, but for me what I chose was the best.
Wireless internet is available in the US where you can get wireless phone (which is virtually everywhere). I don't know the price, but it is probably more than $30 US per month, but if there is a 2 GB limit, then maybe it is about that price. But who wants to be limited to 2 GB per month?

I guess 2 GB is good if you are addicted to this forum and don't care to surf other places. 2 GB may be OK for a handheld device, but I often download a lot of software to my PC, not to mention videos and pictures. DSL internet access has unlimited download per month. The speeds vary depending on the price.

I don't recall Don5252 saying he needed internet at the beach, and I cannot even imagine taking a laptop to the beach anyway. If you go into the water, then someone may steal it. Even if you don't go into the water, sand can ruin a laptop.

As I previously mentioned, many casual restaurants in the US offer free Wi-Fi, including McDonalds, Starbucks, and many other chains. Some restaurants even have computers with internet available.

Personally, I carry a Blackberry for email, so I can live without internet access when not at home or at work. I could get web access on my Blackberry if I wanted it (probably for about $30 more per month), but I don't need it.


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Posted on: 10:45 am on Feb. 24, 2008
Mr Alan

Quote: from jumpinjack on 12:59 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
OK. To further muddy the waters. I want to know exactly, in non techie terms, what I need to buy so I can use my SONY laptop with either of my mobile phones to achieve wireless on the beach at Samet, Samui, etc.
I currently use DTAC and TRUE sim cards and TRUE wireless at my home.

I dont want to use on the beach in LA or OZ, only on beaches and the like in Thailand(dont tell me Starbucks)......on the beach! Thank you bros.
Contact a wireless phone provider. They typically sell cards that fit into your laptop slot that gives you internet access via their wireless phone network (not necessarily the same connection as a phone you already have).


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Posted on: 10:52 am on Feb. 24, 2008
Mr Alan

Quote: from don5252 on 9:09 am on Feb. 24, 2008
according to Best Buys it's very simply inexpensive to plug your computer into a port on television to put the picture there, not sure about the quality
another edit, Daffy, Mr Alan say Windows will save you hundreds over Mac.
From the Best Buy website:

1. Cheapest Apple laptop ($1,100,00) - Intel® Core™2 Duo mobile processor 2.0GHz; DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive; 80GB hard drive; 1GB DDR2 SDRAM

2. Compaq Presario T2330 Laptop (Made by HP) - (Regular price $600, on sale for $450)
- Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core mobile processor T2330 with 1.6GHz processor speed
- 1GB DDR2 memory for multitasking power, expandable to 2GB
- Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible media
- 15.4" WXGA high-definition LCD widescreen display with BrightView technology and 1280 x 800 resolution
- 120GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
- Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 with up to 251MB shared video memory; S-video output; built-in Altec Lansing audio
- Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g) ; - 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (with RJ-45 connector) ; high speed 56 Kbps modem

My recommendation #1:
3. HP - Special Edition Pavilion Laptop with AMD Turion™ 64 X2 Dual Core - Black/Bronze Model: dv2745se
(Regular price $900, on-sale for $750)
- AMD Turion™ 64 X2 dual-core 2.0 Ghz processor;
- 3GB DDR2 memory, expandable to 4GB
- Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video
- 14.1" WXGA high-definition widescreen display with BrightView technology and 1280 x 800 resolution
- 250GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
- NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA) graphics with up to 1071MB total video memory; S-video TV-out
- Built-in HP Pavilion Web cam and microphone make it easy to chat with or send video mail to family and friends
- 5-in-1 digital media reader supports Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO and xD-Picture Card
- IEEE 1394 (FireWire) interface and 3 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
- Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g) ; 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN with RJ-45 connector; 56 Kbps high-speed modem;

My recommendation #2:
4. Dell - Inspiron Laptop with AMD Turion™ 64 X2 - Midnight Blue
Model: I1526B8103 (regualr Price $900, on-sale for $800)
- AMD Turion™ 64 X2 dual-core 2.0 Ghz processor
- 2GB DDR2 memory, expandable to 4GB
- Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video
- 15.4" XGA high-definition widescreen display with TrueLife technology and 1280 x 800 resolution
- 250GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
- ATI RADEON XPRESS 1270 graphics with HyperMemory; high-definition 2.0 audio; S-video output
- Built-in 2.0-megapixel Web cam
- 8-in-1 digital media reader supports Secure Digital, Secure Digital High Density, Secure Digital High Capacity, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, xD-Picture Card and SDIO formats
- 1 IEEE 1394 (FireWire) interface and 4 high-speed USB 2.0 ports for fast digital video, audio and data transfer
- Built-in Dell 1390 wireless networking mini-card (802.11b/g) ; standard Wi-Fi Catcher to quickly locate wireless hotspots; Dell's advanced antenna design features 3 antennas to find and connect to networks with ease, delivering enhanced wireless reception
- Integrated 10/100 Ethernet network card; 56 Kbps modem


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Posted on: 11:13 am on Feb. 24, 2008
oreally
DEEZ NUTS

Nr. AalZ,

U are full of it rifght?



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Posted on: 11:41 am on Feb. 24, 2008
DaffyDuck
First of all, since we're talking about don being in Southern California, it should be obvious that nearly all of Mel's 'advice' can be safely ignored -- we do not have download caps of 2gb or such in the States - it's all you can eat, except in some rare instances of mobile internet (Verizon caps at 5GB).

Let's clarify the issue of mobile internet -- There are several options, offering Express cards, or USB sticks, to provide DSL or near DSL speeds while mobile. In fact, it's fast enough that it can be used as your mobile and home connection, it it's your only laptop.

Sprint and Verizon offer their version, known as EV-DO - the service runs $60 a month, and requires a 2 year contract (recently, that has been dropped to 1 year, but the cost of the equipment goes up), and you pay roughly between $100-$150 for the equipment.

AT&T also offers their version of 3G (in Expresscard and USB configurations), for the same $60, and offering the same speeds.

In terms of speeds, the services above (I did test them all at one time, and actually have one of each right now for various uses) give me an average of 1,500KBps downlink speeds, and 500-750KBps uplink speed - this translates roughly to 130K/sec downloads and 50-60K/sec upload - very comparable to first tier DSL. All of these services have unlimited feeding (except the aforementioned Verizon - just stay away from Verizon)

If you wanted to go with that option, the best I can suggest is offered by a company called Millenicom.com - they resell the same Sprint service, but you pay $50 a month, and there is no commitment for one or two years - strictly month to month, and zero cost for the equipment. Speeds are the same.

Additionally, if you have service (phone service, on your landline) provided by AT&T, you will be able to take advantage of free internet hotspots provided by Starbucks (they used to be $$$, provided by T-Mobile), as well as tons of other hotspots provided by AT&T at no additional charges. Starbucks used to use T-Mobile, and now has switched to AT&T (the power of the iPhone, manifest).

Regarding pricing of Mac vs. PC:

Oh, while it's nice for Mr. Alan to skew the numbers, but the MacBook he lists for comparison can be purchased from Apple directly for $799, and in comparison to the $900 models he highly touts, the next higher MacBook model can be purchased for $950 from Apple directly.

You will most likely spend between $900-$1,050 on an Apple MacBook laptop - certainly, you can find PC/Windows based laptops for far less (as the listed Presario T2300 for $450 indicates). These low-end deals are a great value proposition if you are quite savvy with PCs, and can deal with both installing everything you need, as well as maintaining them regularly. So, the question really becomes -- what is your time worth? (or the time of others?)

The difference on a Mac is simply that "It just works", and Apple provides some excellent resources on both the Mac itself, as well as their websites, to assist you in familiarizing yourself with the Mac environment. Sure, it helps for someone to spend about 1-2 hours with you going over the initial details, but from that moment on, you will be making incremental strides. Unlike Windows, the Mac does not penalize discovery, but rewards it

Or, find out what Mac OS X is all about:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

and watch the guided tour (video) :

http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/

Take a look at sarge's experience, who went from an all windows environment and switched to the Mac, and as far as I know, never looked back.

Start of the Thread:
http://bkkx.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=29&topic=425&start=0

Relevant Windows Vista reference:
http://bkkx.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=29&topic=425&start=240

First Impressions:
http://bkkx.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=29&topic=425&start=265

Last but not least - BK is a Mac user.






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Posted on: 1:48 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
don5252
thanks all, I need to take some time so sort this out, but one thing I know for sure I won't need beach park etc, type useage, oreally wtf are you talking about, again thanks all as now I'm armed w/plenty of info if I can just make sense of it all, maybe I'm wrong but that being I have Verizon, i'll start checking there to see if their service plan is best suited for me, then compare cable
additional info will certainly be appreciated, now back to re read everything


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Posted on: 1:52 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
Mr Alan

Quote: from DaffyDuck on 4:03 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
Oh, while it's nice for Mr. Alan to skew the numbers, but the MacBook he lists for comparison can be purchased from Apple directly for $799, and in comparison to the $900 models he highly touts, the next higher MacBook model can be purchased for $950 from Apple directly.
No Sir. I just checked the Apple website store, and the prices are the same as Best Buy:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=3587D031&node=home/shop_mac/family/macbook

BTW, the $1,100 MacBook has only a 13.3" screen.


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Posted on: 2:12 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
DaffyDuck
Right, I guess since I actually deal with this all the time, and you don't, you must be right in that regard.

Odd that you are comparing Apple *retail* prices to the PC *sale* prices you throw out. Disingenuous, a bit?

Fact is, you can get excellent deals on Apple equipment, if you know where to look -- the first stop is usually Apple's refurbished equipment store, then Amazon.com (where they offer you better prices in the form of additional rebates, plus free shipping, and no sales tax), and lastly Apple's academic pricing usually has the best deals -- if you someone with a student ID from a participating school, you can nab equipment at 30% of or better, depending on the current promotions.

While the MacBook has a 13.3" screen, the Presario has a 15/4" screen, the hp a 14.1" screen, and the Dell a 15.4" screen - they all have the exact same 1280 x 800 resolution.

So, what do you get for allegedly paying more?

I could list the hardware features:

- built-in iSight webcam
- magsafe power connector
- firewire and USB ports (firewire is much better for attached storage, or connecting a vidoe camera; USB is much better for keyboards and digital cameras, and iPods)
- maximum RAM capacity of 4GB of RAM (which I always recommend, as it's worth the additional expenditure of $80)
- integrated Bluetooth
- built-in 802.11n wireless networking (much faster and better range than the 802.11b/g offered by everyone else)

But really, the design and software makes the difference more than anything else:

- Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Best and easiest to use operating system. Ever.
- iLife '08 (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, Garageband - iPhoto alone is worth it)

In the end, you can spew specifications until the cows come home - the simple fact remains that a Mac is a far better choice for someone looking to get their first laptop, than a PC laptop running Windows. There's no contest in that.





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Posted on: 3:31 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
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***HOT OFF THE PRESSES***

Dafty is pushing Apple products!


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Posted on: 4:01 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
Mr Alan

Quote: from DaffyDuck on 5:46 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
Odd that you are comparing Apple *retail* prices to the PC *sale* prices you throw out. Disingenuous, a bit?
PC based laptops are frequently on sale because there is competition among manufacturers. Fierce competition. Not so with Macs, since only Apple makes them.

Isn't it a little strange that you are calling me "disingenuous"? You quoted some non-existent prices (they weren't even close), and then I chose to check out the facts.

When was the last time you changed the water in that duck pond you inhabit? I think the water is getting a little stale.


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Posted on: 5:27 pm on Feb. 24, 2008
     

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