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Hin
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BK
I agree if explicit details are to be mentioned a pseudonym would be better, and if names are used the details could be fuzzy.
That being said I am certain as CJ and pinga have stated that many have enjoyed the fruits of our postings here and are probably glad to have the free advertising. It would be a shame to take that away from the girls, as anyone who has been here for any time at all knows they appreciate all of the extra cash that they can generate. pinga I seem to recall you are well acquainted with xxxxx there, perhaps you could raise the subject with her, and we could find out from additional sources. Some of the girls are sure to revel in all of the attention.
I would not want to take business away from anyone, nor disrupt the fine idea initiated by this forum. I am not qualified, to offer judgements about the postings on an open forum, that I only found last month.
BK, you have been involved in this for a long time, overall I think it is a great service for all combined and I wish I had found it sooner, I would not alter anything until I heard more feedback.
I do not think that it is necessary to do any editing of older posts, nor to censor newer posts, I just wanted folks to be aware that the issue had been raised.
It is after all only one instance, and I know some of the other brothers will know some of the girls at other establishments, and if it was a problem I am sure it would have been brought up before.
I have seen in many of the threads that overall this is a good bunch of people who post here, I think getting the thought out there is enough for now.
Thanks
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:39 am on Nov. 1, 2002
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chateaujade
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I have the impression that the more detailed and explicit posts of the 'wet field report' sort were/are written to tittilate as much as to inform, and that there is a large body of readership (active posters as well as readers/lurkers) who appreciate such posts on that level, but who rarely will venture over to try the girls on for size, for whatever reasons (not living here, not visiting here often, living here but with Thamruat Baan, lazy as shit, impotent and allergic to Viagra, whatever).
In short those explicit posts about cornholing S., or the three holers at Soi 55, BBBJs at 10 AM at Lollie's etc are VERY popular and that any good intentioned efforts to water them down may be to the detriment of the forum's very appeal.
Damn straight I think that more people want to read about girls that swallow and like to get their butts reamed, than want to read my musings on politics or the price of jasmine tea in Bhutan -- shamed to admit it...me too. And I'm pretty Jaded.
So be careful about fixing something what ain't busted.
And I think Hin is right.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:53 am on Nov. 1, 2002
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Hin
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CJ I agree completly, I enjoy the stories, the raunchier the better. My work takes me away from any type of nightlife and living vicariously through this forum has been a bonus for me.
A pseudonym works as well as a name, unless you are trying to help the lady get ahead, and hey whatever.. as they say in Thailand - up to you -
Don't fix it yet BK it probably does not need it. If it does I am sure we will find out shortly.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:05 am on Nov. 1, 2002
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No action will be taken yet. Anyway, it is good to bring up this topic out in the open. I will stick to this, for now, "if it ain't broke don't fix it."
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:46 am on Nov. 1, 2002
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This is a good topic to bring up occasionally and for all members to be aware of. There is no single solution to solve the problem of giving members access to detailed, useful information and putting the girls in an awkward situation.
I don't think we need to change much to improve the situation, but we all need to have a little sensitivity to the issue (this includes you, even if it's just for your own selfish purposes).
This is how I think it should work in the ideal case, and something we should strive toward:
Members should feel free to post professional details about the girls, including prices and sexual activities. All field reports should be considered YMMV (your mileage may vary), meaning that the prices and services may not be the same for all.
If a girl does something completely out of character or it is a very special situation, then those details are probably best kept to yourself. E.g. if you've been seeing the same Soi 33 girl every week and she finally lets you take her up the butt, then either don't post her name or don't throw in that detail (as that info will probably not do anyone any good).
Use the info here for finding girls who suit your needs, but verify with the girl the prices and what's available first if it is important to you. The reports should just be used as a guideline and not a bible. If the girl says she doesn't do X or wants Y baht for it, then it's okay, IMO, to mention the reports you've read, but it's not okay to put undue pressure on her to live up to what you've read.
This system is not perfect and certainly can be abused by those who have no scruples, but it is, for the most part, fair enough.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:40 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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nokna
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christ BK,if you were to edit some of my FR's there would be no content.
but seriously some of mine were 'raunchy',others not.
i say where the girl works(sometimes) and what she provides in services(sometimes).
my friends could be easily found if people really wanted to find them.
but they do tend to move from bar to bar(i know this is more about MP's,but my experience and stories concern bars).
this board has worked well since you started it,and not a lot of problem's in this area really.
as CJ said,if it's not broke.
and as Hin and CJ also said,they like a bit of spice in the posts,as i do.
BKK is not my playground as you all know and if i read of a girl from a certain MP/bar/go-go,i like them,as i know i will probably never ever meet them.
it is up to the individual if they want to post explicit details and up to the other members if they want to read them.
i have got to know which members post 'soft' reports and those who post 'hard' ones.
i read Butznutz report which he did warn us of,and said he would only send it privately.
absolutely not my thing,but i did'nt judge him for his 'thing'.
but it was one report which i think might have gone beyond the bounds of an open forum like this.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:29 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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chateaujade
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One component of this is: if the poster intends to name names and provide salacious (and not merely practical) details then he might discuss first with the girl.
Or even the establishment's management, at least the first time.
Back in the mid 90s I had what was (I thought) an original idea. There was no nanapong.com, no stickman, no bkktonite. There were a couple of purely test sites like alt.sex.com and the World Prostitution Guide with entries on Thailand (often IMHO wildly bogus).
I thought about registering patpong.com (and similar names) and going graphic intensive websites about the bars etc., supported by the owners. So first off I went to see one of the mamasans I knew well.
Her response was that the idea had come around before BUT that ANY time a bar or group of bars started to try to exploit the Internet, the police jumped down their throat and stopped them. This was allegedly because the overseas Thais always complain to the Embassies and hence to the Foreign Affairs Ministry and hence to the Interior Ministry etc. about such promotion.
Bottom line was, a resounding NO and so I dropped the idea.
Obviously it was just before its time. Now, I am not saying that I would have been particularly good at implementing the idea, much less that it would have been lucrative (the bar owners would rather eat their children than part with money and they really do love their children).
All that being said I'd be curious to hear how and why and so on of when this semiofficial Thai govt policy changed, did this forum have any headaches? Nanapong? The individual and collective bar sites that exist?
Or did I really get some shitty advice from the mamasan, in which case I will kick her in the ass, so to speak, next time I see her???
(What I did, instead of this idea, was to proceed to establish Chateau Jade, and we have never been harassed. So maybe I won't complain, as I doubt I could have handled both projects.)
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:25 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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nokna
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good point CJ.
i see what you are saying.
exploiting the internet?,not me,have'nt got a clue.
many more members out there who are experts.
a little off topic,i think.
most of my pictures have been shared amongst members via PM,just as friends,they know the names and places of work.
some pictures are on the internet via ABC's website.
but no info as to names and where they work.wether it be Bangkok,Pattaya,Phuket or anywhere else.
a site like ABC's has no info on where any of the girls work,wherever it might be.
you or anyone can look at his site and just enjoy.
if the criteria for any site was that i had to identify name/place of work/services etc,then i would'nt share.
and i admit every picture i have sent by PM or to ABC's site has no permission from the girl.
if that's wrong,then i'm sorry,but 4-5 months ago,this question had not arisen.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:50 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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Chompoo
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Or did I really get some shitty advice from the mamasan, in which case I will kick her in the ass, so to speak, next time I see her???
Just go back and tell her how much money the two of you would have made off of this and she'll kick her own ass.
Actually, who can decypher the whims of the government. Even before the internet there was always the dynamic of tolerating prostitution as long as it didn't get too in-your-face. It will always be a risk to go too far promoting nightlife outside its niche area. The internet gives people who want to look for this stuff many sources of info. Sure, some people will come across these sites by accident, but there is so much other porn around that people have become numb to it (to a certain extent).
The self-righteous who type "Bangkok Hookers" into a search engine and then claim to be shocked at the results will never go away fully.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:01 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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bangcock
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Interesting discussion.
On other boards you are not allowed to use names of girls. So far on this board this hasn't been a problem yet and for me that makes this board different.
This thread has started with an example from Baron, so I will use it to point out why I am NOT against using names of girls.
Hin said that girls there felt pressure to provide certain services, because guys came there after reading stories on this same board.
My opinion on this is ...
Of all the clients at Baron, how many do read this board? I am not good with numbers, but I estimate that it would be less than 2% if not less than 1%. So this "pressure"
thing is really not a big thing.By the way, the girl can simply say that she is not the same girl as mentioned on some board. Even the dumbest girl will think of such an answer.
Furthermore, special services should only be an extra to the massage. Oil massage is the main operation at Baron and the girl decides about possible extra service.
My answer to that is ...
Oil massages the main service?? I thought it was cutting hair.Seriously, 9 out of 10 men who will go to Baron know that "special services"
are the main thing there. So the decision has already been made when a girl goes upstairs with you.
So, I can't see why using names on this board brings extra pressure on girls.
I agree, Baron is the most discussed venue here on this board and Saeng the most discussed girl and maybe the attention for this place and her is somewhat exaggerated, but I don't think that it has harmed both of them. Everywhere there are "cult" figures ....LOL! still haven't read anything, which would indicate that Saeng has any problems with all the attention she gets here on this board. Only positive stories about her attitude, never something negative. Does someone know here, if she has felt any of this so called "pressure"? Maybe pinga ??? No negative stories about her so far, so I guess she provided the services without any hesitation to everybody (who read this board and/or has posted on it and knew already about her before even before he met her).
Suppose, that using names isn't allowed anymore. You will get the following situation.
bkkz: Hey, went to Baron for massage. Took this girl Y with great body and did bbbj followed with terrific anal.
Member 1: Hey BK where is Baron?
bkkz: Suk soi 24 next to Emporium.
Member 5: thanks BK.
Member 1 and 5 will go to Baron, don't know which girl BK had and maybe think that every girl at Baron do bbbj and anal. Resulting in possible awkward situation when "special service" comes up later. Member 1 and 5 want anal and chosen girls don't do this. Result, both guys disappointed and maybe they will pressure the girl into doing something she really doesn't want. This is exactly the same "pressure" as Hin has talked about when he started this thread.
By the way, I don't believe in this pressure thing. Using names or no names on this board. This counts for all sanuk venues.
BIG ADVANTAGE of using names is that someone know in advance what kind of services are POSSIBLE with a certain girl and I mean POSSIBLE not GARANTEED !!!!!
Other advantages are:
Warn other members about certain girls, preventing them from having a not so pleasurable experience. This will cost this girl income, but that his her problem not ours. She provided lousy service, we didn't. By the way, again only a very small % of all sanukers read this board so enough other prey left for her.
Helping other members with tips when they are looking for certain services. Only using names of venues isn't always enough.
Providing tips about which girls have a good attitude and give good performance. If you go to a massage parlour, you can see the outside of the girl and you could ask which girl does for example anal or bbbj. But you could still end up with a cold fish with a lousy attitude. I think that most guys here want to avoid that as much as possible.
So, the example of Saeng is a perfect one. Not only does she has the looks (if I should believe other posters), but also has the right attitude and performance. I guess that this is what we are all after.
So, in my opinion the rules of this board shouldn't be changed !!!!!!
By the way, last week I posted some remarks against posting a pic of Saeng and/or other girls.
Got almost no support for this and now this thing against using names gets some support.
What is the difference between posting names and posting pictures????
If I don't know a name, but I do know the face it's still easy for me to find the girl.
Maybe, HIN meant something else with this "pressure" thing.Saeng gets a lot of attention and apparent she does anal. Lots of new clients for her, because of all the posts here and now other girls feel the pressure to do anal too.
Maybe he meant that?
But the same less than 1 or 2% rule applies here.
Conclusion is: ALLOW POSTING OF NAMES, but always respect the girl even if you have something negative to share with us.
Bangcock.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:05 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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