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nokna
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i agree,2 people post reports on 2 different girls.
but someone assumes they are the same person.
can cause trouble.
i see elsewhere that Saeng is aware of the 'interest ' about her on the internet.
she always has the option of saying no,but i gather she works most days.
her choice knowing many of you members have passed her name to others,and she must be earning a fortune.
and having a very sory pussy.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:21 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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Chompoo
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Bangcock, your conclusion is correct but your logic and rationale is not, IMO.
First, without a doubt the girls do feel pressure when a guy comes into the MP and says, "I have here a post that you do anal sex for 500B, I'll take that." Certainly a girl doesn't have to accept, but she is unfairly pressured to do so. Many of the girls are not the cagey vets who can deflect any approach tactfully or outright lie to get their way; that is part of their appeal. Not to mention that, especially in an MP, they are in a subservient position to begin with and will compromise more easily to avoid a confrontation and potentially lose their jobs. The fact that their English skills are very limited prevents them from adequately answering a guy who comes in and asks for something special. Without the damning internet report the girl can just say "I no do", but she is unlikely to be able to explain tactfully why she won't in your case (when she really is thinking "I no do with old fat man" ).
Second, a guy can and should expect more at Baron's for example than just the oil massage. But he has no right to expect anal, mouth kissing, BBBJ, etc. İFew people on the board would complain if the post were limited to "Nong X. gave a great BJ and had a nice tight pussy." It's when you start describing special services (as mentioned before) that you get into an ambiguous area.
Third, Hin did mention that one girl has reported this as a problem to him, so this is no longer just a hypothetical (it is irrelevant wither it was Saeng or another). This one girl has most definitely done things she would have preferred not to and we are the direct cause of this. We do not have the obligation to take care of everyone in the world, but if we can change our behavior (either in the way we post or in the way we act to the girls) so that it is less likely to harm them, while still getting almost the maximum benefit (useful info about the MPs and girls), then shouldn't we do it? The girls do get some benefit from the increased business, but that is only worth so much to them and they do with to maintain some control over their own bodies.
Fourth, your scenario of the mystery anal girl doesn't fly. There were two mistakes that made your scenario invalid, IMO. First, BK should and probably would have mentioned that not all girls do anal, and should have mentioned that YMMV (i.e. even if the girl did anal with him, she might not with you). Second, from the post the two guys had no reason to expect every girl did anal and should have clarified that with BK or with the mamasan or with the girls first.
But, I agree that using names is useful if the info is documented and used appropriately. Right now, it is clear that it is not and we can try to do a slightly better job of that (i.e. recognizing that individual guys and girls and the various combinations are all unique).
As I mentioned previously, one can also take a very selfish view of this and it still makes sense. If Nong X. has offered BBBJ to a few guys (because of her own reasons) and is now pressured to do it for every fat sweaty guy, she might well decide to stop offering it to everyone! (This is not a theory, I have seen it happen in a different context.)
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:46 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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chateaujade
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Thais who live overseas do get tired of a lot of wink wink nudge nudge they get from strangers when they discover these people are from Thailand. They get leer-sensitized.
Furthermore among Thais everywhere there is a silently agreed self deception that prostitution, allegedly damaging to the image of the Kingdom, is the fault of the farang. In fact as we all know the farang component is maybe 1% if Thai prostitution, the rest being Asian on Asian, mostly Thai on Thai, balance being Malaysian and trivially Japanese. (Trivial except in the 'export' sense where it becomes very abusive of the women.)
The government knows full well how dependent on tourism the economy is and how much of tourism is NOT geared toward ecology, or temple tours. But they don't want to admit it.
It was a "breath of fresh ass" (As Artemis Gordon would say in "The Wild Wild West") when an Interior Minister visiting Phuket a few years ago told the governor to renovate the massage parlors and build more new ones to boost the local/provincial tourist business. Was he talking about traditional therapeutic massage? I don't think so. Anyway that was straight talk from at least one Maw Taw Nueng.
I think I make more $$ with CJ than I might have with such a website, but who knows? I don't think BK is making $$ or trying to; maybe Nanapong in sense that the website owner are bar owners (I think) but surely not much?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:34 pm on Nov. 1, 2002
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Hin
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Gentlemen
Just wanted to thank you for listening, and for your posts on this matter. It looks like overall we are in agreement to treat this issue with the sensitivity it deserves.
There is still plenty of opportunity for us and the ladies to benefit from this forum, with or without the posting of intimate details and names.
So far it does not appear to need fixing BK so keep up the good work!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:09 pm on Nov. 2, 2002
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bangcock
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Hi Chompoo,
You said: "Bangcock, your conclusion is correct but your logic and rationale is not, IMO."
My answer to that is that nothing is wrong with my logic and rationale. After reading your reply I started to wonder if something is wrong with yours.
I don't want to start a long discussion again, so I will limit my reply by only giving a few examples.
You said: "Many of the girls are not the cagey vets who can deflect any approach tactfully or outright lie to get their way; that is part of their appeal."
What do you mean with that? You are trying to say that Thai working girls are no good liars !?!?!?
This is, at least, a very interesting point of view. I'll bet that there are plenty of guys who will say the opposite. These girls will say to the ugliest old guy that he is handsome and convince him to send her money when he is back home so that she can stop "working" which she will continue to do.
You also said: "Third, Hin did mention that one girl has reported this as a problem to him, so this is no longer just a hypothetical (it is irrelevant wither it was Saeng or another). This one girl has most definitely done things she would have preferred not to and we are the direct cause of this"
My answer to this is that this is the exception that confirms the rule I used in my first post in this thread. The less than 1% rule.
SO FAR NOTHING WRONG WITH MY LOGIC AND RATIONALE !!!!!
Another one of your remarks: "Fourth, your scenario of the mystery anal girl doesn't fly. There were two mistakes that made your scenario invalid, IMO. First, BK should and probably would have mentioned that not all girls do anal, and should have mentioned that YMMV (i.e. even if the girl did anal with him, she might not with you). Second, from the post the two guys had no reason to expect every girl did anal and should have clarified that with BK or with the mamasan or with the girls first."
If this is Chompoo logic then I would suggest to you that you should first read old posts from BK before you say something like this. Because both points are INVALID using your words.
I'll prove it to you right now ...
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Point 1: I'll give you an example of a very relevant old post of bkkz involving Baron and Saeng and anal.
Read it and then you will see that BK did NOT mention anything about the fact that other girls at Baron might not do anal and that Saeng could reject it with other guys.
Quote: from bkkz on 7:15 pm on Mar. 17, 2002
Well, had some time to spare this afternoon, and since there has so much talk of Baron, I decided to give it a try as well. Walked in through the back door, looked around and saw only ONE girl! I asked for a one hour oil massage and was lead upstairs.
I got that one and only girl. She was really cute, and had huge tits. Her name is Saeng. The room was kinda small probably about 5 sq. m. with no attached bathroom. Anyway, she helped me with my shirt so that I could get a good look at those tits. She gave me my towel, and I thought I would be going for a quick shower. However, before I could leave the room, she got naked too, put on her towel and lead me to the shower.
This was going to be an interesting massage. We showered together, dried off, and she proceeded with the oil massage in the room. Within 10 minutes I felt her tits massaging my back which was well oiled by then. I gave a couple of minutes before I quickly turned over for the frontal attack. The rest of it was pretty routine, condom pops on, and lots of oily sex on the bed.
When I got some oil on her back, I rubbed her back till I got to the bottom, and then decided to explore a little bit, with the finger. Then came the change in position, thought of the doggie, but decided to do it standing. It was a pleasant surprise when she brought out the KY Jelly, and invited me to the other orifice which I was exploring. Needless to say, I took her offer! 
The session ended with a good head massage and another shower. That was 1,500 B, a bit pricey for a quickie, but since the anal was thrown in, I wasn't complaining Another 400 B for the hour of oil massage.
BK
So, where is your logic now Chompoo ????
Point 2: You know, as I do, that not every member posts on this board and that there are "readers only" too. Besides that, not everyone is as smart as you and me and there will be guys who will misinterpretate posts like I gave as an example in my first post in this thread.
bkkz, I am sorry to get you involved in this discussion.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:30 pm on Nov. 2, 2002
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chateaujade
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Aw c'mon. This matter has been settled and there's no point in starting a flame. Everyone knows Chompoo is sometimes argumentative, I think he's just being so here and why play into that?
This is a case of "mai pen rai" if I ever saw one. So declare peace with honor and retire to neutral corners.
Sheesh!
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:07 pm on Nov. 2, 2002
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bkkz
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Nokna, I would never dream of censoring your wonderful posts! The only editing that I had in mind was editing the names of the girls that you had been with and phone numbers that appear on the forum.
bangcock, no problem. However, if you read my old post I did, I mentioned "pleasant surprise", which would indicate that I did not expect anything special from the girl, and did not know of it, in advance. And I think I left out one small detail (about the KY tubes), which would have indicated how often she offered it.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:30 am on Nov. 3, 2002
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bangcock
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Don't like flaming, didn't mean to do it, will stop discussion right now.
GREAT BOARD GUYS .... 
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:18 am on Nov. 3, 2002
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nokna
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BK.
the point of the names is a moot point.
when i started my FR's,i thought about using false names,or ### or just saying i met a girl.
but in the end i decided to use their real names and where they worked.
after all i wanted to give the members a full account of my trips,with nothing held back.
posted the same reports on another forum where names were banned and to me it was a problem.
i thought fellow members would soon lose track of what was going on.
example.
i frequent a certain bar and meet 4 girls.
Non,Pla,Jip and Som.
i report i took ### home the 1st night,### the 2nd.
on the 3rd i talk to ### and ###,but decide to BF ###.
on the 4th night i talk to ### and ###,but go with ###.
5th night i buy a drink for ### and ###,but decide to BF either ### or ###.
in the end it becomes nonsensical.
people would soon get fed up with the posts,not knowing who was who.
some members of the board have seen photo's of some of my friends.
it would be difficult for them to put faces to names if i said'this is a pic of Pla'.
they would only know her as ### from the FR's.
then i would have to explain which post i referred to her.
maybe too much trouble for people to look for.
i hope you will not edit any of my FR's concerning the girl's names.
i just think it makes things easier for members to understand if they know the names.
if any members really want to find any of my friend's,then it's not hard to find them if they read my posts.
not that i want them to,just i like to tell my stories,warts and all.
but no problem from now on,no more FR's from me.
i can't get out the door with my head so big.
you commenting on my 'wonderful posts''
coming from the master,i can only kneel and wai to you.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:23 am on Nov. 3, 2002
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Chompoo
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You said: "Bangcock, your conclusion is correct but your logic and rationale is not, IMO."
My answer to that is that nothing is wrong with my logic and rationale. After reading your reply I started to wonder if something is wrong with yours.
I think you're taking this a lot more personally than I intended it, but if you need further clarification, here it is.
You said: "Many of the girls are not the cagey vets who can deflect any approach tactfully or outright lie to get their way; that is part of their appeal."
What do you mean with that? You are trying to say that Thai working girls are no good liars !?!?!?
This is, at least, a very interesting point of view. I'll bet that there are plenty of guys who will say the opposite.
I think you should do a little research on the terms "many", "all", and "some". The fact that 80% of the girls are lying thieves (if that were the case) does not negate the fact that there are still many girls who are honest and a little naive (at least for now). I for one do not want to take advantage of those good ones that are still left and give them an excuse to turn into hardened professionals. By your logic it would seem we should feel free to try any deception or pressure we can to get our own sexual satisfaction.
In my experience, the percentage of MP girls who are very simple and straightforward seems to me to be very high. The vast majority could be pressured or tricked into doing things they would prefer not to.
My answer to this is that this is the exception that confirms the rule I used in my first post in this thread. The less than 1% rule.
The "exception proves the rule" argument is not an argument at all, it is nonsense.
You stated repeatedly that the likelihood of this ever being an issue was remote and you questioned whether Saeng had ever felt any pressure (since you hadn't heard anything, you assumed she hadn't), you even went so far as to question that maybe Hin meant someone else felt pressure to do anal.
I pointed out what you apparently missed, that this is no longer hypothetical and we have a concrete case of someone being hurt by our actions.
The whole 1% rule is just patently absurd. First, you are estimating the number of Baron's customers. You should instead be looking at Saeng's customers or those of other girls mentioned prominently here. Do you think only 1 or 2% of Saeng's customers are forum members? Considering that she is significantly more busy and has acknowledged the increase in business generated here, I think your number is very low.
But even more importantly, to a great degree that number is irrelevant. Whether it is 1% or 30% what matters is the percentage of those people from here who are causing problems. If an insignificant number of people are pressuring the girls for services they don't want to provide, then an insignificant number are being helped by the reviews and naming names! All that I have proposed is to keep the maximum number of people helped (customers finding good girls, good girls finding more customers) while cutting down on the problems.
And most importantly, this is the one case we know of. Presumably there are many, many other marginal cases or cases that cannot be or haven't been traced back.
SO FAR NOTHING WRONG WITH MY LOGIC AND RATIONALE !!!!!
Actually you're 0 for 2.
If this is Chompoo logic then I would suggest to you that you should first read old posts from BK before you say something like this. Because both points are INVALID using your words.
I'll prove it to you right now ...
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So, where is your logic now Chompoo ????
Perhaps another language lesson is in order. Note the key words "should and probably would". I did not say that in every case he (or other posters) would make everything crystal clear to everybody. I am sorely tempted to use copout "the exception confirms the rule" here, but I'll resist that foray into madness. Did you also notice that BK did mention the name here? So this is not even a valid case to prove your point.
Point 2: You know, as I do, that not every member posts on this board and that there are "readers only" too. Besides that, not everyone is as smart as you and me and there will be guys who will misinterpretate posts like I gave as an example in my first post in this thread.
Here again you are using an argument that works against you. You made this whole scenario about how people will be confused if we don't name names and to prove it you bring out an old post (which doesn't really apply) and you conjure up some idiots who will misinterpret it.
What you have to show instead is that there will be more people who will misconstrue the nameless post than the one with names, and İthat more girls will be harmed by it. Certainly there will be some idiots who misconstrue BKs post into thinking all girls at Baron's do anal, but then there will be some idiot who reads the post and thinks that BK was the one who likes it up the butt.
You also make the mistake of confusing the past and the future. I have proposed simple rules of judgement that people should use when posting and when reading posts that, if followed, will cut down the confusion and potential harm. If we, individually and collectively, are aware of the potential problem then we can make it better, but I can't change the past.
Burying your head in the sand to avoid the problem doesn't make it go away (it obviously hasn't so far).
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:06 pm on Nov. 4, 2002
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