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Samsri
All well and good if you are in a position that qualifies for a work permit.
However my reponse was prompted by the the fact that the original response alludes to HuB not having a job at all and trying to get himself a work permit to find employment. If you are getting your own, it would suggest that you have your own company and a work permit is just a formality after the (extensive) paperwork is done.
For my application for example, we had to take pictures of the office building from various angles, my desk etc, each one signed by myself and my boss to prove (or to get our testimony) that it was a true picture. This went on and on, as I said, over 350 signatures for my boss, and a wad of papers nearly 2 inches thick.
Now HuB was very vague in his question, however if he is working for a company that DOES NOT provide work permits, the chances of him going in an organising it himself WITHOUT their support is slim.
Or do people disagree with this statement?
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Posted on: 3:40 am on Mar. 30, 2005
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HuB
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OK OK, lets clear up the confusion.
1. I don't have a job yet.
2. I would like to know whether is it possible for me to apply for a work permit without going through a company.
3. The situation is clear now whereby I need to register my own company.
Thanks for the feedback and pls lets not get on each others' backs and throats and let's discuss things in a matured way. we need more friendly people in this hostile world we live in today.
And why is DrLove so hostile and angry when his name is DrLove? Shouldn't you be more LOVING?????
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Posted on: 10:46 am on Mar. 30, 2005
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samsri
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So now I understand your case. Yes, I'm in a position where my company (being the owner for sure helps) issues a certificate that I work there and the position I have requires my skills. In addition, my company has BOI priviledges (2 mio registered capital, not 35 mio as stated, but IT field).
Not sure at all if you can get a work permit without a company letter and some proof. Of course you could go to a lawyer and they will find some way to provide you with some papers, but I doubt the legality of doing that.
You're in much saver hands if you find an employer that legalizes your employment and writes the letters required. Otherwise you may find yourself in trouble after 1 or n years - when having to renew your work permit. Don't forget, that once you do it with a lawyer, he will make sure that you depend on him for some time. Now paying 20 to 30k a year for something you can get for free if your employer really wants to hire you is wasted money.
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Posted on: 11:07 am on Mar. 30, 2005
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dotcom
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99 times out of 100 if you are employed by a company & your work assignment is Thailand - the company will get the work permit.
Simple? Easy? Some on here would like to make things more complicated than is nescessary.
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Posted on: 11:29 am on Mar. 30, 2005
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DrLove
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Hub,you see the information Samsri initially provided?
Zero value! Read Yurune's and Dotcom statements. They are the only ones who make sense.
As I said, those lawyers have special (financial) relationships with decision makers so that you have more chance to get a work permit.
The first time to acquire a work permit is the hardest.
It took me several years to find the right lawyer to do the job. Of course, you can also register your company by yourself, but through a lawyer it is smoother.
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So now I understand your case.
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Samsri, read first before you open your ass with misleading or zero value information.
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Posted on: 12:00 pm on Mar. 30, 2005
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samsri
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DrLove:
So telling someone not to spend money for a lawyer that is completely obsolete if the employer submits all the necessary papers is "obsolete and misleading".
Now that's crap DrLove. It takes you several years to find a lawyer just to process a simple work permit? You must be a hell of a guy.
Thumbs up to Yurune and DotCom. (except for the pictures... never heared of that :) )
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Posted on: 1:22 pm on Mar. 30, 2005
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waxhead
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Samsri
I THINK from reading this (and I am a bit stupid) that since the original poster is wanting to do this without a company supporting him, as in
>>1. I don't have a job yet.
>>2. I would like to know whether is it possible for me to apply for a work permit without going through a company.
>>3. The situation is clear now whereby I need to register my own company.
If you do the own company approach, I will give you a very basic summary of what is involved; this does not constitute legal advice, and you NEED to go to an expert to set up the company right with your work permit in mind:
- 2m baht minimum registered capital (not paid up)
- shareholding of at least 50%+ Thai (except for Americans, but this must now be grandfathered in possibly - refer Treaty of Amity) ; voting/non voting shares mean you can still have control if that is important to you
- at least 7 shareholders
- place of work with at least 4? Thais for each 1 western worker; it might be 5, but I think 4. Your residence cannot also be your place of work
- in general, your company has to actually do something, that's where the photo checks and so on come in; it isn't like before where you could have a shell company as your house to live in; now they check this stuff - regularly
- proper set of accounts; paying taxes and insurance for workers and so on; I think that you need an accountant to manage this
You then need to register the company as a limited liability company with a statement of what business you will conduct, a unique name, address and so on. This takes a while....
You then need to enter into Thailand on a work VISA - I think it is a non-immigrant B? - it is all a bit hazy, since I no longer have to do all this stuff (having become Thai). You can do this by getting your company to issue a VISA offering you a job and taking this to apply for a VISA at your Thai embassy - there may be a VISA on arrival option, but again, you'll need to check that with an expert. You cannot come in on a tourist visa, then change to a working visa without leaving the country I don't think. With the letter, you will normally get 90 days to then sort out the employment. I guess theoretically you could do that a few times, but they are getting smarter to catch dodgy people, and also without a work permit, you are not allowed to work anyway. You need the Visa and the permit.
Having set up the company, and got the VISA, you can then apply for the work permit as a worker there; bearing in mind the prohibited professions and so on; you'll need to show forms of the staff you employ with their tax returns and por ngor dtor forms and all manner of other things; there is a checklist for what you will need to show at the Dept of Labour I think it is in Ratchada....and about this time quite a few people say, hmmm.... lawyer time!
Go onto thaivisa.com or another site, and you'll see a ton of information about this - a bunch of lies as well - but search through and you'll realise that doing it all yourself is possible but not that easy, at least not initially. The staff you deal with are civil servants, and while nice have to do things exactly by the book a lot of the time, so if you have the wrong forms or whatever, then your whole application gets rejected, and you have to go through the whole process again, taking precious time away from going to NEP and so on with all the other foreigners 
If a company is doing it for you, then really, you don't need a lawyer and it is not that hard at all. Chances are the company will do it all for you, and the 1 stop centre is super easy apparently. You might like to carefully read the forms, but generally there are so many of them to be signed that most people just put their trust in the lawyer and the company to sort it all out for them.
Dr Love is recommending using a lawyer apply for the work permit, since essentially, the poster will also be the director of the company (most likely with a number of Thai silent partners), and thus will not have the support of the company to do it, since the poster IS the company.
This to me makes sense for several reasons:
- there are a number of checks and loopholes that a lawyer can exploit (e.g. making sure that the right number of staff are at the office on a day of a random check for numbers of Thai staff by the police by knowing what day that would be).
- the first time is the hardest; not sure that a lawyer is needed for subsequent times, but the first time can be quite a large number of pieces of paper, and some of the papers needed are not available due to it being a new company - such as past Tax returns and so on
- the vast amount of time needed to wait in queues and whatever is reduced, since the lawyer can come and get papers signed at your place, then act on your behalf via power of attorney - ditto for the period of review (which can drag on for up to a year with rolling 30 day work permit validity and thus rolling 30 day work VISA extensions) so the lawyer cuts down some of this time
Spend some time learning the options, but basically without a company supporting you (school, business, partnership, etc) ; you will probably need to set up your own company and this has a few traps for young players.
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Posted on: 10:22 pm on Mar. 30, 2005
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DrLove
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 Waxhead... an oasis in the desert of loonies...
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Posted on: 12:27 pm on Mar. 31, 2005
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Yurune
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Quote: from samsri on 6:16 pm on Mar. 30, 2005
Thumbs up to Yurune and DotCom. (except for the pictures... never heared of that )
Yeah, I just made it up, dumb really, but I was hoping it would get a thumbs up as well, thought it was my best gag of the year so far.
edit: The Department of Labour is not on Ratchada, that is the 'one stop shop' WP place, that is used by those companies big enough to get WP's without questions asked.
I who worked for a smaller company had my WP processed at the Department of Labour and Social Welfare in Thanon Mit Maitree, just of Thanon Din Daeng in Din Daeng.
Unless it's another of my gags......
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Posted on: 12:57 am on April 1, 2005
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