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Quote: from Mr Alan on 10:43 am on Sep. 26, 2007
So I think that the US may be the only country where one is a citizen (without condition) if born in the US, even if the parents are illegally in the country.
errrrr.... yes.... but no.
Yes, the USA is the only country where if you are born in the USA you are automatically a citizen of the USA. You cannot be born in the USA and automatically be a citizen of another country.
Actually I do not think there is any country at all (including the USA) that makes you automatically its citizen if born outside.
Now, in regards to what Alan most likely meant, being a citizen of a country just by being born in it, the USA is not unique. There are many other countries, besides the USA, where citizenship is given just on the basis of the location of birth. Alan, just look north and south to the USA's closest neighboors.
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Posted on: 3:51 am on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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You can also look a LONG way South, to the worlds largest island.
Mel
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Posted on: 7:03 am on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from S M E G M A on 5:00 am on Sep. 26, 2007
errrrr.... yes.... but no.
Yes, the USA is the only country where if you are born in the USA you are automatically a citizen of the USA. You cannot be born in the USA and automatically be a citizen of another country.
Actually I do not think there is any country at all (including the USA) that makes you automatically its citizen if born outside.
Now, in regards to what Alan most likely meant, being a citizen of a country just by being born in it, the USA is not unique. There are many other countries, besides the USA, where citizenship is given just on the basis of the location of birth. Alan, just look north and south to the USA's closest neighboors.
I believe you are correct about Canada (since 1947), but not about Mexico. I have found several places that claim that the child's father must be Mexican to claim to be a natural-born Mexican citizen (with full rights of citizenship).
With regard to "many other countries," that remains to be seen.
While we are on the subject, it is a good time to qualify the previous posts I made about becoming a US citizen. In addition to waiting 3 or 5 years (depending on whether your spouse is a US citizen) you must also "be of good moral character."
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Posted on: 8:42 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from Mel Gibson on 8:12 am on Sep. 26, 2007
You can also look a LONG way South, to the worlds largest island.
Wikipedia suggests differently:
"Between 26 January 1949 and 19 August 1986 any person born in Australia acquired Australian citizenship by birth automatically. The only exceptions concerned children born to diplomats.
From 20 August 1986 a person born in Australia only acquired Australian citizenship by birth if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident.
A child born in Australia (and who is not otherwise an Australian citizen) who lives in Australia until age 10 automatically acquires Australian citizenship on his or her 10th birthday, if the child has not been granted or otherwise acquired Australian citizenship in the meantime. This occurs automatically by operation of law, and applies irrespective of the immigration status of the child or his/her parents."
Here is the official government link:
http://www.citizenship.gov.au/automatic-citizenship/citz-by-birth.htm
That is close to US law, but in the US if you are born in the US and leave the next day and never come back, you are still a US citizen (unless you renounce your US citizenship and become a citizen of another country). Apparently not quite so on the worlds largest island.
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Posted on: 8:50 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 10:51 am on Sep. 27, 2007
I believe you are correct about Canada (since 1947), but not about Mexico. I have found several places that claim that the child's father must be Mexican to claim to be a natural-born Mexican citizen (with full rights of citizenship).
Alan, you are so funny. Just do your research well.... I have no clue about those places you mention that claim one thing or the other... You are a lawyer... Right? Well, start with the basics, check the Mexican constitution, article 30.
Want me to spell it out for you? Ok, I will give you a link to..... the website of a Mexican embassy (you would expect those guys to know their constitution) :
http://www.embamex-nl.com/nacionalidad.htm
But if you want to read the real thing, here it is:
http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Mexico/mexico2004.html
First wrong about the USA being unique... now wrong again about Mexico... what next? Want a list of more countries? Just keep looking further south, and you will find more places where just being born there is enough. Need some clues? Fill in the blanks and you will find many more countries.... (see the USA is not unique) : Argent_na, Chi_e, Colom_ia (ok, it asks that the foreign parents at least be there legally), Pe_u, Venezu_la.... And this is still in one same continent.... lets not talk about looking in others.
Just admit it Alan, you were wrong.
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Posted on: 9:41 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from S M E G M A on 10:50 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
First wrong about the USA being unique... now wrong again about Mexico... what next? Want a list of more countries? Just keep looking further south, and you will find more places where just being born there is enough. Need some clues? Fill in the blanks and you will find many more countries.... (see the USA is not unique) : Argent_na, Chi_e, Colom_ia (ok, it asks that the foreign parents at least be there legally), Pe_u, Venezu_la.... And this is still in one same continent.... lets not talk about looking in others.
Just admit it Alan, you were wrong.
No, you are wrong.
I never made a definite claim about whether the US was unique. First I asked the question, and then later I suggested that the US "may" be the only one. It was clear from my posts that I did not know for sure and was merely posing the question and prompting further discussion.
With regard to Mexico, you are wrong again. To have full citizenship (for example, to be eligible for election as president of Mexico) one parent must be a Mexican citizen. I believe there are other limitations besides becoming president but I don't know what they are for certain. Here is the quote and a link that discusses the subject, but I assume most of the definitive links are in Spanish (which I don't speak) :
"...you have to have at least ONE Mexican parent if you’re going to be President..."
http://mexfiles.wordpress.com/2006/09/06/is-it-surreal-enough-yet/
So far, despite several claims to the contrary, the only countries mentioned in this thread that grant "full" citizenship to those born in their country (irrespective of any other factors except for children born to foreign diplomats temporarily in the country) is the US (since 1791) and Canada (since about 1946).
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Posted on: 11:20 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Alan:
If you are using the criteria of presidential electability for "full" citizenship, then you have just shot the US out of the picture.
To be elected US President, one MUST have been born in the US.
Arnold can't even run.
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Posted on: 11:28 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from expatchuck on 12:37 am on Sep. 27, 2007
If you are using the criteria of presidential electability for "full" citizenship, then you have just shot the US out of the picture.
To be elected US President, one MUST have been born in the US.
Arnold can't even run.
The question is whether someone born in the US (or Mexico) automatically has full citizenship, regardless of the citizenship of their parents (even if the parents are illegaly in the country at time of birth).
If one is born in the US, one has full citizenship and can become US president, regardless of whether the parents are citizens.
If one is born in Mexico, and neither parent is a Mexican citizen, then one cannot be President of Mexico, and I don't believe that one can vote (not 100% sure about this one). This means they have "limited" citizenship. However, such people do have many more rights than naturalized Mexican citizens.
As you mentioned, Arnold was not born in the US and became a naturalized US citizen. I believe the only limitation is not being able to be US president.
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Posted on: 11:38 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from expatchuck on 12:37 am on Sep. 27, 2007
To be elected US President, one MUST have been born in the US.
Actually, it is a bit more complicated than that. You can be born outside the US but become a US citizen at birth if your parents are US citizens, and then you can become US president. There are some details about this (such as the number of parents who are citizens and number of years they spent in the US) that was discussed in an earlier thread.
Mitt Romney (running for US pres in 2008) was born in Mexico, but his parents were (supposedly) US citizens and therefore he became a US citizen at birth and is eligible to become US president (this is getting really messy).
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Posted on: 11:52 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from S M E G M A on 10:50 pm on Sep. 26, 2007
You are a lawyer... Right?
No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Posted on: 12:06 am on Sep. 27, 2007
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