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seajohn
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What is this, a junior high playground? Who's doing all this "seeing"?
You, the customer, that's who. Or should I say, you, the individual man?
If you see these women as low... and you continue to associate with them, as tgclark2010 admits, then you must feel pretty grimy about yourself. Why would you perpetuate that point of view? Is there some benefit to self-hatred?
Whether you are a doctor or a laundress, your role is important to society in general. There is a time and place for everything (that is, we have unfortunately not yet reached the stage of social evolution in which Bj's at company meeting are acceptable practice). In my opinion, a woman who works through sex is essential to society. I am sorry that this role, through the monopoly of those who have something to gain by controlling public opinion on prostitution, has been so denigrated. I am also very sorry to see that those vile opinions continue to persist in a forum dedicated largely to sex with these women. Very inane. I should also point out that an insult to the girls we spend so much money, time, attention and/or affection on is an insult to those of us (ie, all of us) who do so, including by admission, yourself if you have so insulted.
I will play the social roles in so far as I must, in order to maintain a certain standard of living for myself and family, but to ask me to share such a crappy idea of myself and my sexuality is ridiculous; I said "so long" to that kind of thinking many years ago.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:45 am on Oct. 20, 2010
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dirty guru
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I was told by the mamasan of Lolitas iN Bangkok who regards me kindly as about 8 years ago I bar fined her when she was a BJ girl and took her to a nice hotel for a meal and evening-
She says 2-6 a day was good-
But it sometime went to zero or one-
Popular girls several-
Prettier younger - good etc.
The bar in Total was averaging 45 BJs when I asked and there were 12 girls available-
Some see BJ work as more detached and not so demanding.
Like getting used to oysters maybe they think?
In Any Case I have seen real student do this to save for things.
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To Them its just work
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:18 am on Oct. 20, 2010
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Joe Wood
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Maybe 8 years ago, the Lolita mamasan might have resembled something of a pleasant person, but for a long time now, she's just a money-grabbing, power-hungry cow.
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As for taking any Star of Light girl to a company function, you wouldn't do that unless you suffered from such naivete as to think you could take the company CEO to SOL without any preparatory work or thoughts of possible repercussions. But no-one was suggesting that you do that.
The issue was how they are viewed, not the possibility of people socially meeting them.
Having said that, I have known one or two ladies who have worked there, with whom I would be most comfortable in taking them anywhere. So, generally, I would say no to the suggestion. But it depends on the individual lady and there are exceptions.
You'll find that most groups in society have a compulsion to look down on other groups. It's part of the membership criteria of feeling the exclusivity of the group and re-enforcing one's own or the group's identity, whether that group is religious, political, social, whatever.
It's all about discrimination and identity. All living things survive like this. You like this food but you don't like that food. Flowers face the sun and turn away from the shade. I turn towards the Star of Light.
As I stated, it was just my observations / my opinions. Others see things differently.
The drunk bastard who boozes and gambles all day and sends his lady out to work despises another set of people who may be more well off than he is or because they happen to have more booze than he has.
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"...what about the freelancers who work the 'higher end' discos, who can easily get Bt 5,000+ for one night and reel in some rich guy from overseas?......."
This issue wasn't about money.
A bank robber can get a few million in a shorter time.
Is he to be looked up to ?
It isn't anything to do with the money.
".....................I would suggest that the freelancers view gogo girls as below them for having to go to work every night and generally having a lot less choice over who they go with................."
That may be very well true. But I was talking generally.
A lot of the personally elected unemployed in the U.K. rolling up to collect their weekly state-hand-out would despise the queues of people going off to work in the morning to do an honest day's work. It doesn't mean that their opinion is right nor generally held.
And yes, I agree with you that these days, the numbers of people going to the bars are very low, so the normal state of things does not exist at the moment. But these are exceptional times, or at least I hope they are.
As seajohn pointed out, anyone who contributes actively to society should be valued for their contribution.
There is an expression that my late father used to use. "The Salt of the Earth".
This rarely found but human quality, I have found amongst some of the ladies whom I have cherished in the Star of Light and in other places of P4P.
Having said that, there are a number of CEO's, bosses and work colleagues whom I would dread to have as companions for an evening or any social function.
But then, that's me.
I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated.
At least, I sincerely hope it is.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:41 am on Oct. 20, 2010
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Quim
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Well said Seajohn and JW. Enough said.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:40 pm on Oct. 20, 2010
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Finchy
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Personally, I don't look down on girls from a bar, anymore than I would any other service provider and while availing myself of their servcies I will treat them with respect. They do what they need to do to earn money and as long as it does not involve scamming someone, then it is not for me or anyone else to look down on them. Having said that I don't venerate them like some people seem to do.
My response was in regards to the claim that in SE Asia a BJ bar employee is not seen as rock bottom and the intimation that it is employment on a par with a palace/office/mall worker with respect to class, social status, face, honour and righteous living. That is patently nonsense. As I stated, that does not make it right, but it is a fact.
I gave the social finction scenario as an example of how daft it is to suggest that a BJ bar girl is viewed as being "far way and above the unemployed". Unless I misread it and you were referring to status purely within the ranks of working girls and not society as a whole.
My point about the freelancer girls was not about money and your example about a bank robber is a straw man argument. I would argue that within the working girl ranks a freelancer working at one of the higher end discos would be viewed by the other members as being in a better position than someone who works in a bar. Firstly they are not obligated to work 8+ hours a day with only one day off a month, they can choose if they work or not. They also have more freedom over who they take as a customer and, generally, have access to customers of a higher demographic. This, along with the fact that the customer may be on company expenses with less of an idea of actual prices, may mean you can earn more money per customer.
Which working environment would you prefer? Having little choice about which sweaty cock you have to suck in front of your friends for Bt 500, or the chance to choose to go with someone who you like and get a higher reward for it?
Of course there are rip off freelancers, much as there are in gogos and bars. This does not make the premise that the freelancer is a better option than a BJ bar or gogo bar incorrect.
It is akin to the difference between working in a low level knocking shop or working as a model at a higher end soapie. You are providing the same services, but in one you have very little control over when you work and who you service, and the other has much more flexibility and control and the opprotunity to earn a lot more money, which, ultimately, is the reason for doing the job anyway.
As individual people, are the freelancers/models better than the BJ bar employee. Maybe, maybe not. Do they deserve to be treated differently. Definitely not. Is the 'higher end' employee in a better position? Of course they are.
Sometimes you want a nice relaxing soapy with a hot bodied looker, sometimes you just want a quick BJ from a professional. Sometimes you want a nice meal in a higher end restaurant with all the extra trimmings. Sometimes you want a Big Mac. Is the waiter at the nice restaurant in a better position than the MD's worker? More than likely. Is he a better person? Maybe, maybe not.
Bit of a ramble, but I hope you get my drift 
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:58 pm on Oct. 20, 2010
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Joe Wood
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Yes, I get your drift.
But let me assure you that I was in no way aiming a criticism at anyone in particular, merely expressing my opinion.
Every group, every company and institution has their hierarchical structures. People inside and outside of those, have their own different perspectives of these, depending on where they are and have come from.
You have yours. That's O.K. That's no problem for me.
As for some guys' tendency to venerate these ladies, I have no objection to that for maybe in some small way they counter-balance the influx of hate and guilt-driven remarks that refer to these ladies as in some way being sub-human or beneath them.
As for me, well, I cherish what I like. The world is full of problems after so many millions of years and they are getting worse, not least of which are our inner demons.
Hopefully humanity's increased knowledge, skills and insight can help to make things better.
Wild Country girls try to do so in their own small way, for a consideration. That is within their capability and scope, no less than the contribution by a CEO within his or her capability.
Different people have different lives.
They have different views.
You may care to call it patent nonesense.
That is your prerogative.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:10 am on Oct. 23, 2010
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dirty guru
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Quick story-
Village on cambodian border Thai side Farming area alot of Livestock 2008-
Sunset a well spoke very polite girl of maybe 21 asks if she can explain to me that the shop keeper would like my pepsi bottle for the refund it is worth-
The purchase price did not include keeping it.
WTF I think ?
Say ok...
The girl was both balanced well spoke pretty polite and intelligent-
Two days later in the Village Bus stop where a Baht Bus style bus takes usually Farmers wifes and Grandmothers to the nearest town- she waits with a suitcase-
"where are you going?"...i ask.
"I am heading to Samui for work my friend has got me work"....she replies.
(skip ten minutes more chat)
"what kind of work?"...i ask.
"working in a bar" she responds.
"serving drinks and stuff"?
"no I will be a girl who goes with men"..she replies.
I have never forgotten that girl or time.....it was all new to her-
I never judge them much - some are just nice girls trying to get ahead.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:42 am on Oct. 23, 2010
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tgclark2010
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I did not think that my little comments would solicite so much controversy, I wanted just to give some of my observations. I have been back and forth to Thailand for 30 years as well as laos, cambodia, vietnam, hong kong, singapore, manila etc. I speak fluent Thai and Chinese. I am certainly not a "punter". I do not go with Bargirls and have not for years, My Chinese wife would not allow it. But I do go to quite a few bars, have many Thai friends including bargirls. Who are also my wifes friends. (no she was never a bargirl). infact her family is quite rich. I like thai people, and understand them. My wifes rich family friends as well as the average Thai, most of my friends are the average Thai. I enjoy their company. My wife and I are are an older couple, and I am way past picking up Bargirls. But this does not mean that I cannot go out and buy a few drinks and socialize and have a good time, And I always take my wife with me I enjoy her company most of all.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:18 am on Nov. 6, 2010
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seajohn
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That was a fine post, tgclark2010, and I hope that I did not offend you with my earlier post. I merely meant to expose a hypocrisy that I see some people indulge in and which I explained in my post. Whether you do or not is of course not my call, and I certainly would wish that no one did. I wish you happiness and a smile as you read.
I would also like to say that it is pleasant to read of your good times with your wife and your appreciation of her. I agree with you that she in all probability would not allow you to go diddling with bargirls; most wives in the world would be like that. Especially if one asked them about it. I guess my point above (it now occurs to me) could be also concisely put that just because a wife is jealous it does not make bargirls bad persons, not by any means. However, unfortunately the morality we have been taught to refer to constantly in our minds does on certain points, those concerning sexuality exactly, seem to have been designed by jealous wives and husbands... and yet jealousy is also the expression of a deep mammalian instinct... But you certainly wouldn't feel that they were bad persons if you have been hanging out with them for so long. You see, I am not using you as an example of anything, just drawing an example from a sort of extrapolation.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:51 am on Nov. 6, 2010
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