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Getting back to the Soi, I believe that it is a great place for either happy hour or a night of pool shooting. I was there on two different nights my last trip, one for happy hour and one for most of the evening.
I found the women very interesting and yes you can find as good or better lookers at the cowboy massage parlors etc. But I was in the mood for conversation on top of the extras and found the atmosphere conducive to this. On the one night I was there for most of the night I did not barfine anyone there and at the end of the night picked up one from Soi 7. But I did have a great time there and will definately go back if I am looking more for the hostess thing again, although most are available for the BF and other activities so if you go and find one you have to have then more power to you.
Just understand the soi 33 is not like the cowboy or Nana so if that is what you are after don't go. If on the other hand you want to slow down your pace some and converse or maybe more with a little doll then have at it. Be prepared to spend more money for just about everything with the possible exception of happy hour drinks.
But remeber if you just want looks you might be better off elsewhere and get a more certain thing. 
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:39 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
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Chompoo
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One final thought. When you ask a Thai lady that works in a bar if she'll let you BF her, have any of them ever said "If I go with you, what we do?" If you answer them then doesn't that constitute discussing the "service" you want from her? Just a thought bro.
Sometimes they ask, but often it's just implied. I think on Soi 33 that question will almost always be asked. I've never had a girl from a gogo bar that objected in the least if I took her straight to a ST hotel, without any serious discussion.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 5:23 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
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Chompoo
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Hum, that's a great post. Soi 33 serves a great niche and can be a lot of fun for people that go in understanding how it works. Yet there are always a few guys who will start cursing and badmouthing the place when they find out the BF is 1500B.
On the other (old)hand, the suggestion about just chatting up the Starbucks girl and f_cking the brains out of the MP girl is another philosophy that has a certain amount of appeal.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:26 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
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Arcadius
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Well, I don't know about Chompoo, but after 6 pages of this thread I'm still not much the wiser about the general level of expectation on Soi 33. The most I can glean is that 70% - roughly two in three - girls are prepared to do the deed, and that this will cost anything from zero to B4,000.
Perhaps that level of uncertainty is the way it's meant to be, and is itself desirable for some people. In which case, no prob - its just another game to play, and well... whatever rings your bell.
However, it would seem to me that a BF of B1,500 is quite a hefty price to pay if you also need to more-or-less spell out your evil intent and negotiate terms before leaving the bar. As one of those who is not comfortable with either, I think I'll stick to paying B500 to know exactly where I stand. I certainly don't agree that all the girls in the go-gos are dumb little rice-farmers' daughters either.
Re BFs in the go-gos, I'd say that yes - the contract for sex is implicit, and both parties are perfectly well aware of it. So are the terms, unless either party wants to try for a special price. At any event, if I just want to BF a girl for dinner, I spell that out - because the implication is that her tip will be relatively low, and she might not want to spare the time.
For some reason, it had never even occurred to me that BFing waitresses etc in a go-go might be on a different expectation level from the dancers. Now I'm in a bit of a panic. Can someone confirm this?
In my own experience, on the rare occasions I've BF'd a waitress, I've just assumed sex and received it as per normal. Mind you, it's always been an LT arrangement, so the issue has never come up in its starkest form. Ý Ý Ý
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:57 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Chompoo
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Well, I don't know about Chompoo, but after 6 pages of this thread I'm still not much the wiser about the general level of expectation on Soi 33. The most I can glean is that 70% - roughly two in three - girls are prepared to do the deed, and that this will cost anything from zero to B4,000.
I don't think I'm much wiser now either, except I feel better that most everyone else is as unsure as I am. I am more confident now that if I BF a girl on Soi 33 and she doesn't say that she'll just go dancing with me, that a ST hotel later is still on her mind. If she has already ruled it out, I think she would have made it understood before the BF (either by not accepting the BF or making the limits for tonight clear).
For some reason, it had never even occurred to me that BFing waitresses etc in a go-go might be on a different expectation level from the dancers. Now I'm in a bit of a panic. Can someone confirm this?
I can't confirm this, but will clarify my position. I think gogo dancers have implicitly agreed to their role as sex workers. Other staff are in an ambiguous position (at least from what I see), so I would treat them much more carefully. I do think that if they consent to a BF that you aren't being a jerk if you expect sex to come from it. But I would expect most enlightened guys to be less pushy and a little more tactful about it.
In my own experience, on the rare occasions I've BF'd a waitress, I've just assumed sex and received it as per normal. Mind you, it's always been an LT arrangement, so the issue has never come up in its starkest form.
I think this is part of what I was saying about being tactful. Taking them LT gives them a chance to save face (even if just to themselves) and they can still claim that they are not sex workers.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:09 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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seubeu
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I can pretty much concure with that. Beyond this, we'll just have to gather statistics and post them as we find them. Gawd, the things we do in the name of "research".
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:34 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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Arcadius
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seubeu
Yes it's hard, it's tough - but advancing the frontiers of human knowledge should be its own reward. Easy to get carried away by the sheer nobility of our endeavours...
Chompoo
"Other staff [in a GG bar] are in an ambiguous position (at least from what I see), so I would treat them much more carefully"
That has to be right. I tend to take things slowly, and never offer (or agree) to BF until the unspoken deal is already done and dusted, so the difference probably isn't very noticeable. If you favour the "get your coat, you're pulled" approach, greater care with non-dancing staff must be called for.
Never once considered this aspect before. You live and learn...
One final reflection:
If the general expectation of sex is lower on Soi 33, then you'd expect this to affect the behaviour of the girls in the bar. In a GG, if they've ruled you out, they're most unlikely to sit with you unless you summon them. If they do sit with you, there's an a priori assumption that they're willing to bed you (OK, they're not yet committed, and 1 minute's exposure to your breath & personality may change things).
If these 'rules' do not apply on Soi 33, the 2 out of 3 may be an underestimate. What I'm getting at is that these girls may be far more willing to sit & talk with guys they have no intention of screwing. So we're comparing apples & oranges. Any thoughts?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:35 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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blade
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if i want to take out a waitress i simply ask a
girl (i know in the bar) whether their waitress
goes out or not. if they do then i will ask the
girl to talk to the waitress whether she's free
to go out with me. if she's free then i will
approach her directly and talk to her nicely.
if everything goes smoothly then i'll ask how
much does she charge for s/t or l/t and thats
about it. if we agree on price then i bf her and
head straight to a motel
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:36 am on Jan. 22, 2003
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Chompoo
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Arcadius, I disagree with your assessment of GG girls. I think it's quite possible, and not unreasonable, for a girl to just come over to drink with you, even if she's pretty much ruled you out. I don't think it happens often, but it does happen. I guess you could argue that if the girl comes over she hasn't really ruled you out completely, but she may be hard to win over (i.e. if either you're a lot more fun than you look, or you're very jai dee).
What I mean by this is that I think of buying drinks and BF'ing as two totally independent activities. Buying a drink obligates the girl to come sit with you and may imply a bit more, depending on the bar. I wouldn't have much sympathy for a guy who got bent out of shape that a girl wouldn't let him BF her after he bought her a drink or two. I do understand that he could have felt he wasted a bit of time on her, but my sympathy is 1/100th what it would be if he actually BF'ed her and she ditched him. I think the best girls would manage to avoid or defuse this situation early.
I think you're right about Soi 33. The girls make most of their money off drinks and their main job is to be a good hostess (and not under scrutiny as a potential sex partner). So the girl sitting with you and having fun (or pretending to have fun) is not very indicative at all of her willingness to sleep with you.
I don't have a problem with your 2 out of 3 number, it may be even be higher if you are willing to put a little more pressure on the girl (i.e. be more direct and/or open up the wallet a bit more). I do think however the number is misleading as it may be that the ones you really want are typically in the 33.3% that won't go with you on a first date.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:02 pm on Jan. 22, 2003
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Arcadius
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Chompoo
"I wouldn't have much sympathy for a guy who got bent out of shape that a girl wouldn't let him BF her after he bought her a drink or two"
Well no, of course not. And especially not if he'd got her to sit with him in the first place by either sending her a drink* or summoning her via someone else in the bar. Since all the initiative has been his, I'd say he's still at home base at that point.
I'm thinking more of the BG who either rolls up uninvited or - much better - after you've caught her eye or otherwise signalled your interest in a way she was free to ignore. These we might call 'unobligated' companions. In such cases, I do think you're entitled to believe that you've at least jumped the first hurdle and - all going smoothly - she will be up for it if you want to BF her. At any event, this assumption has never caused me the slightest grief in the GGs.
Of course, she's still under no real obligation to you at this point, and things don't always go smoothly. Up close and personal, she may find you objectionable for any number of reasons. Had a painful experience before Xmas when an enjoyable encounter disintegrated after the BG misunderstood something I said as "what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" As the situation proved irretrievable, I didn't attempt to BF her - and I if I had, I wouldn't have been at all surprised by a refusal. Before the accident, I would have been very surprised.
* Btw, buried away in a long-forgotten thread, Mr Joe described a lovely tactic. Send yr selected BG a drink with a message that she need NOT come over if she doesn't want to. Wish to God I cd think of these things for myself.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:36 am on Jan. 23, 2003
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