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haam sup
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Please see the thread in 'Members Only', wherein I apologise.
And please note, Chompoo, that I haven't the least respect for you, nor do I think that, on balance, you have much to offer. ÝYour posts define arrogance, and there is nothing helpful, or endearing about them, nor do you exhibit a sense of humor about others, or, more importantly, about yourself.
For you it's ALL about being RIGHT, and the bragging rights associated. ÝAnd when you find you're not universally loved for these traits, you pick up your marbles and go home. ÝYou've wasted your time out there. ÝI'm not sorry to see you go again, but I truly pity you for clinging so desperately to your need to be superior.
haam sup
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:01 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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whitespider
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Strewth, talk about "shot down in flames".
I have been coming to LOS now for around 20 years and my info re 19 is from "reliable" sources, i.e. Thai Nationals, inc one police officer. HOWEVER (Chompoo) I do accept that there is certain ambiguity regarding this (Ive just checked the Interpol site which says "18") and this ambiguity could well have something to do with the Thai habit of adding a year to age i.e. they are "one" the day they are born.
I don't want to make any "apologies" for trying to be helpful, but will be the first to accept that there is a lot of mis-interpretation at work here.
Speaking PERSONALLY I will stick to the "19" definitition but I guess its each to their own on that score.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:28 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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barneyFife
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Don't forget guys that under the new laws, if you have sex with a girl under 18 you can be prosecuted in your own country (at least in the USA) even if it's legal in the country your in. Hard for the US to make a case unless the police in the that country arrests you, but still something to think about.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:37 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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whitespider
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On the other subject to whcih i seem to raised hackles, that of dress code.
I was actually referring to "scruffy" shorts etc and I certainly DON't have a problem with Levis  . However Haam Sup hits the nail on the head - we are GUESTS here and what is OK in other countires is irrelevant.
For what its worth I quote from Lonely Planets guide to Bangkok. NOT definitive I know, buit worth bearing in mind:-
" Shorts (except knee length walking shorts), sleeveless shirts, singlets and other beach-style attire are not considered appropriate dress in thailand............... the attitude of "this is how I dress at home and no-one is going to stop me", gains nothing but contempt or dispresevt from Thais"
Now many of us may not worry one jot that Thais dispresect us, but I for one don't want to see people pissing in the street in the UK even tho its OK in their countries. I firmly believe that when you visit another country it does no harm at all to respect that countries views and traditions. The reason some of you guys think that "dressing down" is Ok would appear to be because your too busy having a good time to have read up on local customs etc.
Now where was that bunker I wanted to hide in...............?????
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:42 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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dirty guru
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if any stupid prick wants to f_ck a underage thai girl, all you can do is say "good-luck" ....youll need it if you think 18 is cool......
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:55 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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JHolmesJr
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What the hell is so appealing about 18 year old girls anyway? For starters 9 out of 10 dont know how to please a guy.
My best times have been with real women in the 26-45 group. In fact, its the aunties who have been giving me the most bang for the buck.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:58 pm on Aug. 17, 2003
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Kaymanx
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Haam Sup,
I guess I lost track of some of the earlier posts. So forgive me for going back a bit to your earlier response. ÝGiven your longer - and deeper -- association with Thailand (as evidenced in your numerous educative posts) not to mention your insightfulness, it is clear that your knowledge of Thai ways and thinking have enabled you to understand Ýthem better than many others on this forum. But I must respectfully enquire whether the so-called western NGO values you attributed to me are rejected by Thais themselves. ÝAs Thais, like people everywhere, strive towards greater prosperity, a lot of so-called western values (actually they are common sense values, applicable to any society that seeks to enrich itself in a materialistic sense) are bound to be adopted. The girls themselves are getting "westernized," a convenient term that I use to refer to the independence that comes with income earning prowess. It's a fact that men resent it. And there is nothing uniquely Thai about such resentment because it is generally a universal resentment. It's just that men from different cultures are positioned at different points on the adjustment curve. The societal structure maybe matriarchal in which the finances are controlled by the women, as you point out, but the male still sees himself as the earner of those finances and therefore assured of his rightful place in the hier- or matri- "archy."
Before I pull this discussion in a different direction, I must say why I feel this is relevant. By the way, I agree with you when you say that my analysis springs from my own sensitivities. I nevertheless believe that there is a little bit of this too involved in the current backlash. The preservers of society see the income earning prowess of the girls as a big threat to the social fabric. Because thousands of girls are seen to be drawn from the villages and interiors to the entertainment trade. As has been pointed out in this discussion, Thai men themselves may be the biggest patrons of this industry, but it is just convenient to blame the tourists. Granted that, there has to be a plan to provide an alternative Ýlife to these girls if the bars that employ them are seriously meant to be shut down. In the absence of such a plan, the raids and the closures will only recoil on the government. Even if the loss of employment and the resultant hardships are accepted by the government as a price to pay for social reform, there remains the bigger question of education for girls. Ý
As you said, these "western values" (as you put them) might cause a lot of stress in several societies. But, aren't we talking here of REFORM ? The ministerial crackdown is a matter of reform - even if most of us believe it is a put-on. To that extent, we have to consider the most common denominator - namely a "better life" for the girls that are being tossed out of their livelihood. In other words, even as the moral police crack down on a perceived evil, they cannot wish away the economic disaster they are creating. In India (I ain't no westerner, by the way!), we routinely have raids on lady bars and brothels, the police crack down routinely, the social service activists and "values driven" NGOs Ýcome to the "rescue" of the girls. But the harsh reality is that the girls protest and return to their bars and brothels because of the lack of an alternative life for them. That is also the reason why many times the police are blamed for turning a blind eye to the problem. So, it is the NGOs and rescuers who are getting it all wrong. This appears to be beginning to happen now in Thailand, although the motivating factor seems to be national pride and anger at the badly behaved farang.
I am surprised to be held up for trying to sound like an NGO in speaking of a "better life". I certainly did not mean that westerners, or touristy do-gooders from any part of the world for that matter, have a better life. I am only trying to advocate that the good incomes enjoyed by thousands of girls should not be taken away in the name of saving face. If hordes of people are tossed out of employment in one fell sweep (and it would not just be the girls, but hundreds of other workers in hotels, restaurants, bars and cafes which will face the impact as male tourists and business men are turned off a la One Eyed Jack), we are faced with a different kind of cruelty. The cruelty brought on by people seeking to uphold culture. I was actually trying to defend the status quo, and argue for letting the girls remain where they are, letting the bars remain, and so on, unless the government has a well-mapped integrated plan of education or alternative equally remunerative employment. Neither exists. Which is why these raids will recoil and are doomed to fail.
I acknowledge that what I have said could be at a tangent to what is actually happening. That nationalistic pride is hurt and that the farnags are to blame for the poor image because they are the ones who did all the kiss-and-tell broadcast and filming and storytelling even as they heartily enjoyed the meal.
But, because of the economic implications that I have outlined, I have my doubts on the longevity of the present campaign. Instead, the farnag can use this come uppance to put his loutish behaviour (pls see example cited by JHolmesJr) in order.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:43 am on Aug. 18, 2003
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Chompoo
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I have been coming to LOS now for around 20 years and my info re 19 is from "reliable" sources, i.e. Thai Nationals, inc one police officer. HOWEVER (Chompoo) I do accept that there is certain ambiguity regarding this (Ive just checked the Interpol site which says "18") and this ambiguity could well have something to do with the Thai habit of adding a year to age i.e. they are "one" the day they are born.
There is very little ambiguity in any official documents. Some documents say the girl must be "over 18". This confuses many people into thinking that means "19", but you could be 18 and one day and still qualify. (It might be ambiguous as to whether you could have sex on her 18th birthday, however.)
People are confused by SOME Thais adding one to their age, but if she says 18 and you don't look at the ID to check then probably no amount of help from this board can save you.
Some people also get confused into thinking the age is 20, because that is the day a Thai woman achieves her "independence." It has been said that a girl under 20 can't work in a bar without a parent's signed consent, but I don't know if that is ever enforced. It is a huge stretch to believe a guy could get prosecuted for having sex with a 19 year old girl (unless he has a signed note from her mom).
I don't want to make any "apologies" for trying to be helpful, but will be the first to accept that there is a lot of mis-interpretation at work here.
These are all issues we have gone over before, many times and no matter how many times they have been pointed out people fall back into believing whatever they want to. That is fine and if you want to help others, go ahead and say "I believe the age is 19 or 37 or whatever." Don't say it with authority when it is anything but:
Here is another authority who refers to the Thai penal code, no less:
"Section 277 of the Thai Penal code states that the age of consent for females in Thailand is 15. The legal age for sex with a prostitute is 18 and I believe this equates to a sex act commited by a farang on a Thai national also whcih means you can't go and find a 17 year old non prostitute and bang her either."
That was a quote from a Whitespider post on Aug 15, 2002. 
Speaking PERSONALLY I will stick to the "19" definitition but I guess its each to their own on that score.
I am far from trying to force people to have sex with 18 year Thai girls. However, I don't want people to pass on false rumors. And if in reality there is some basis for this claim I want to hear it, which is all I ever asked in the first place.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:15 pm on Aug. 18, 2003
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Chompoo
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And please note, Chompoo, that I haven't the least respect for you, nor do I think that, on balance, you have much to offer. ÝYour posts define arrogance, and there is nothing helpful, or endearing about them, nor do you exhibit a sense of humor about others, or, more importantly, about yourself.
For you it's ALL about being RIGHT, and the bragging rights associated. ÝAnd when you find you're not universally loved for these traits, you pick up your marbles and go home. ÝYou've wasted your time out there. ÝI'm not sorry to see you go again, but I truly pity you for clinging so desperately to your need to be superior.
There is nothing in my original post that was arrogant or belligerant. Try reading it again:
Where do you get the impression that it is illegal to have an 18 year old girl? A lot of people seem to have this misconception, but I've never seen anyone provide a bit of evidence that this is a real law.
I guess it is too much to ask people to document their (apparently incorrect) claims. Perhaps I should have been more obsequious and not trampled on DG's delicate sensibilities by posting so direct a question.
Once you get a hair up your ass about someone you will read the worst into whatever they post and you are not shy about posting your drivel and f_cking up every thread that anyone you hold contempt for posts to (and that is about half the board). Half your petty responses are just to ridicule someone's spelling or grammar (even when they are non-native speakers). The other half devolve into the equivalent of: "You're gay." "No YOU are." This suits your level of intelligence and maturity.
I could not care less what you think of me as I have no respect for someone who is so easy to distort the truth and has a very machiavellian approach to getting his message across. I do, however, find it regrettable that this forum still has no respect for the truth and honest intellectual discourse. Not only were you dead wrong on this topic, your original post was completely out of line and unprovoked. Yet no one else seems to care. Oh that's right, it's just hair splitting whether the age of consent is 18, 19 or 20.
I am certain you won't miss me. You prefer to have your crap go unchallenged by the mindless drones.
Well, I gave it a shot, but the board still values style over substance.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:26 pm on Aug. 18, 2003
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