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Jingleballs
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I respectfully submit the following for your consideration and comment: Is the Mamasan "Friend" or "Foe"? I have read several other posts and it seems the opinions vary between "Don't trust them" and "They are mean to their girls" to "They are a great resource" and "They will tell you which girls do the deed the way you like, " etc. Wouldn't it be great for the newbie (like me) to walk into a bar and find out which girls do certain things!
And since I'm here anyway, let me sneak in another question: Is there a best way to tell the girl, "No"? Do you just say. "No thank you" or "Mai Krap, Khop Khun Krap"? I figure if I don't want to end up leaving with her, I might as well bid her an early good evening!
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:12 pm on Nov. 8, 2003
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Cheap Chalee Mai Dee
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JB,
They can be both but normally not at the same time. As a previous bar manager at several bars in Pattaya it varies depending on which side of the bar you are on. Sometime depending on the type of bar beer or go-go you need a strong mamasan to keep the girls straight. On the customer side of the bar sometimes the mamasan can be great and help you through negoations, because alot of the new girls can't speak english.
Also if you have problems with the girl normally the mamasan can straighten them out. Pro's and con's both ways.
In trying to find a polite way to say no sometimes it's best to just say no or not buy them a drink, they'll soon leave you for greener pastures.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:54 pm on Nov. 8, 2003
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mokewen
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I have found that mamasans will be very helpful after tipping them a few times and they get to know you.
The more generous you are, the faster they get to know you!
Since they know the BG's, their advise can be invaluable!
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:27 pm on Nov. 8, 2003
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The Machine
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I generally avoid mamsans if at all possible.
I am there to hook up with the girls.
I do not need the mamasan to help me do this.
As they are operating on their own agenda it is difficult as a tourist to trust anything they say.
The situation may be different if you are an expat but I doubt it.
Remember they will most probably be angling for something and more than likely not be able to provide you with anything you couldn't already get by yourself.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 5:59 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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Arcadius
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I think it depends on whether you're just making a one-off visit to a bar or interested in establishing yourself as some kind of regular there.
In the first case, no need to bother unless you have unusual requirements. In the second case, you can certainly do better for yourself by getting in with the mamasan. If you are seen as one of the MS's favoured customers, it will give you status with the girls and usually preferential treatment. The pay-off may not be immediate, but it will come - and the cost is no more than an occasional LD, and small tips in return for favours.
However you play it, I doubt if it's ever worth pissing a MS off.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:28 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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Deleted Member
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I once bar fined the MAMA-SAN in one of the upstairs bars in Patpong. The girls were a bit too much from the jungle for my taste but she was early 30ies ans quite pretty. Also the younger ones can be quite good company to talk to if you want to ahve dinner etc. As you said, don't piss them off whatever you do.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:36 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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The Machine
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However you play it, I doubt if it's ever worth pissing a MS off.
Cela va sans dire!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:39 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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mokewen
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I play the odds and statistically have better all-around experiences when a mamasan takes care of me!
Last trip - mamasan said: Stay away from #xy - she is on the rag tonight - pre-PMS syndrome! 
moke
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:43 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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Minder
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Like the Machine I generally avoided mamsans in the past, never needed them. They have their uses but as someone else said they have their own agendas to.
A couple of weeks ago I had to deliver a messsage to a bar girl who works in a Soi Cowboy bar. Since I only know her 'chue lehn" or nick name and she was not on duty I needed the help of the mamasan. Remembering my manners (or something I had read here) the first thing I did was buy her a drink. I have to say it was perhaps the most entertaining lady drink I have ever purchased. Between ensuring the message got delivered by whistling up the girl in question's room mate and trying to fix me up with one of the other girls (including the room mate) and cross-examining me on why I spoke Thai (I don't but enough to get by) and where I work, come from, how often I visit Thailand etc etc she was still 100% on duty organising the shows and running the bar.
The conversation went something like this - "So where you come from?" "Lek who the hell is out front?" "You come Thailand of'en? "Well get back out there and tell Nok to wake up that guy just walked in on his own" "You come for work or holly day?" "No, no, Nit, yes I know you are new here darling but the G-string goes around the other way" "You like these girls, yes?" "Wan, go rub that make-up off it looks like you put it on with a spatula" "Maybe you come back tomorrow" "Porn, pry yourself out of that guy's lap and get into costume - you're on in 5." "Thank you sir, see you tomorrow" "Porn, I said 5 dammit".
Got to say, I came away thinking that Mamasan is a typical middle-management type job. All of the work and responsibility and none of the benefits of being a boss or a worker. I'll probably buy a few more drinks for Mamasans from now on - they earn em.
As to how to say NO to a girl - you got to find what works best for YOU - personally I take the approach of asking them if they know Baang or Noi or Rai who worked here last time - that usually gives them the hint. Only time it didn't work was in Pattaya with a hard nosed type and then I was telling the truth. Problem solved when the girl herself started waving from the stage - hard nose beat a quick retreat.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:53 am on Nov. 9, 2003
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Al Kiholic
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Personally I say mama-san is friend (ish).
If you tip her a few times, she will steer you right. That's all I have to say about that.
About the saying no to a girl. I just say no thank you sometime 2 or 3 times  I was with a farang dude who, when a BG came by that he didn't want to BF he said no to her then said that he was waiting for girl "#??" and would rather have her. The girl looked 1/2 hurt 1/2 pissed. But she left.
I personally think that was low class since he could have said no thank you. But that's just me.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:06 pm on Nov. 9, 2003
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