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hypershade
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Men, in general, and Thai men in particular are very good at seperating 'physical' loyalty and 'emotional' loyalty.
And this gives you a argument to defend them through thick and thin? What a strange logic. I think most men (no matter how despicable) are able to make such a distinction. I fail to see however, how that would make them eligible for some kind of sympathy.
Their wives are very understanding of this
And why is the woman accepting that in Thai culture? Because she needs the income from the man for herself and her children? Because of some cultural nuance that is beyond me? Again, these are genuine questions, not rhetorical ones.
their divorce rate is so much lower than in the West.
And you consider that a good thing as well? What to think of this in a society that is known for emotional repression and the whole “saving face” thing?
I think married people stay together, mainly because of the social pressure and the fear of change, NOT because they want to stay together. This is a global phenomena, not just Thai.
In all honesty, how many truly happily married couples do you know – Thai, English, Kiwi alike?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:00 am on Oct. 28, 2005
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manowar
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Hypershade, the Asian culture does not condon divorce because it disrupt the family which is very high in their priority. Family comes first, father second, mother third, then children according to ages.......It's the "orderliness" of the Confucian teaching. Actually, above family, it's the "country/society". Everyone has a place in the line, so to speak. A"hooker" simply does not fit into the "line" because there is no such place designated to them by Confucian teaching. So for a man to "add" a "hooker" to his social standing, it's rubbing against how he is brought up and not acceptable by society. A honorable man never takes a hooker home. However, knowing all men are sexual predators, the society closes an eye to his "dallying" on the side. So if a man was to get serious with another woman who is not his wife, the first prerequisite is that she has never been a hooker. A man can have "mia nois" who has not been a hooker, but no less. Hope this somehow explains the social structure of asian society regarding "hookers" and "mia nois"
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 10:17 am on Oct. 28, 2005
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Packripper
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Quote: from hypershade on 9:29 pm on Oct. 28, 2005
their divorce rate is so much lower than in the West.
And you consider that a good thing as well? What to think of this in a society that is known for emotional repression and the whole “saving face” thing?
Actually it's not just face, it's often for the greater good of the family, children especially, but also the extended family as a whole. If you take 100 random grandparents in the west, you'll find that most die among strangers in retirement communities or homes. Here, they die among loved ones, often at home. Part of that is possible due to the fact that the wife doesn't decide to halve the entire family estate because I shagged S42 at New Cleo today.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:16 am on Oct. 28, 2005
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Abrak
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Hypershade,
You have a habit of viewing everything from your own perspective rather than trying to understand the nuances of Thai culture.
My argument is that an 'honest' relationship (no lying) is better than a dishonest relationship. Men are inherently more promiscuous than women and have a need to shag around a bit. Thai culture recognises this - guys are allowed to go to massage parlours by their wives but guys do not 'befriend' the girls. (I know of Thai wives who pack condoms in their husband's golf bag). Guys get their rocks off, the wife is not 'jealous' because she recognises a shag is just a shag and the guy is not having affairs behind her back and lying about it.
(Incidentally the mia noi is Thai society originated within 'marriage'. When Thai society was inherently more polygnous, the wife brought a 'mia noi' to her rich husband so that he had a newer model he could shag with.)
I do think that 'divorce is a bad thing'. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that children suffer badly in a divorce both emotionally and in terms of having successful carreers.
Finally, I do know a lot of Thais who are happily married. The fact that Thais recognise the inherent gender differences between men and women when it comes to sexuality is a big plus for Thai society.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 9:39 pm on Oct. 28, 2005
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juniper
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These places are also popular with Thais.
Thais do not go to clubs to pick up hookers - they find the whole idea of being friends with a hooker pretty repellent. (Oh, and before you say that is strange, how many of you guys hang out with hookers back in your own country?).
So if they want a shag they go to a massage parlour. If they want a mistress they get a 'mia noi' who is, incidentally, never a hooker that they have decided to sponsor.
So when the boys go out for the night they are after some harmless fun and a bit of flirting - they are simply not interested in a short time at 1.00am in the morning with a bar girl. To them the G Clubs are simply an extension of the karaoke bar theme without the singing.
Some of these Thai guys do date the dancers at the G Club on the side but the fact that they dont go and shag every customer who rocks up is one of the attractions to them. To be honest it is also one of the attractions for farang expats - the fact that there is a little bit of game in these girls, that you have to charm your way into their knickers rather than buy your way, is one of the attractions.
Abrak-- Very impress with your analysis. If I do not know better, I would have bet u must have asian blood running through ur vein. LOL
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:55 pm on Oct. 28, 2005
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manowar
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You have two of the most informed bros here, Abrak and juniper, telling it like it is.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:20 am on Oct. 29, 2005
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Skip
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Quote: from Packripper on 11:44 pm on Oct. 28, 2005
Part of that is possible due to the fact that the wife doesn't decide to halve the entire family estate because I shagged S42 at New Cleo today.
I sure like it when you clarify the Thainess for us. Sincere gratitudes go out to you, sir.
But I gotta add a factoid gleaned from the local papers [read this past week]. According to divorce laws here, it's not so easy for the wife to halve the estate even if she wanted to. Law says in order for her to divorce she would not only have to prove his adultery but ALSO prove he is supporting the adultress. LOL The whole MP scene serves to derail that option for her.
And, in case you care, the law for him says if he can prove her having an affair he has grounds to divorce her.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:46 am on Oct. 29, 2005
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Skip
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Quote: from Abrak on 6:39 pm on Oct. 28, 2005
If they want a mistress they get a 'mia noi' who is, incidentally, never a hooker that they have decided to sponsor.
I concur with manowar. ^
But, I would also like to take Abrak to task for using the two terms- mistress and mia noi- as though they are synonymys. They are not. Mia nois and mistresses are not the same thing, do not confer the same status and do not incur the same costs to their beneficiary.
They are distinctly different relationships.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:00 am on Oct. 29, 2005
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Abrak
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Quote: from Skip on 2:15 pm on Oct. 29, 2005
But I gotta add a factoid gleaned from the local papers [read this past week]. According to divorce laws here, it's not so easy for the wife to halve the estate even if she wanted to. Law says in order for her to divorce she would not only have to prove his adultery but ALSO prove he is supporting the adultress. LOL The whole MP scene serves to derail that option for her.
I dont disagree with the basic fact that divorce laws and remuneration are massively in favour of 'men' here. I just dont think it is particularly relevent when it comes to the low divorce rate.
1. If you could divorce in the US for a fairly nominal sum (say US$10,000) do you think there would be more or less divorces? I 'guess' more.
2. Do you come across many Thai wives here who are particularly bothered or 'unhappy' because their husbands go off to a massage parlor once a week? In my opinion... No.
A look at jealously in women shows that 80% would be 'happier' for their partner to be 'sexually' unfaithful rather than 'emotionally'. With men it is the diametric opposite.
In my opinion wives who are divorcing their husbands for 'shagging around' are basically divorcing them for the lies and deceit that went with the act, rather than the act itself.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:02 am on Oct. 29, 2005
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jack attack
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IMO, many G-clubs have evolved from lounges to karaoke to a mix of both. In a G club, it is less conspicous as a go go where we sit on a chair and watch them prance around. A bit embarrassing in one respect and consequently not good for 'face'.
G clubs are not available to everyone here - its economics not ethnic. BT 20k - 50k membership is way outside most Thai men's pocketbook. In lower income neighborhoods you can see what looks to be a club or restaurant with darkened interior and Christmas lights twinkling. The are more available economically to the average guy to get a beer and sing a song or two with a hostess.
If the wallet permits, one can graduate to an upper class place with upper class pricing. More of the hostesses will be attractive uni girls who recognize this is easy money for a night of hangin' out drinking and not being obligated to sleep with the customer.
Some of these girls will sleep with anyone as it also is a economic issue for them too... got a big phone bill you need to pay? Want the new LV bag? Ok, drop them panties!
I can't help but comment on comments from Hypershade: what is the problem with any nationality spending whatever amount of money they want at a bar/club/establishment if that is what they want or like to do? If it is what is 'fun' for guys to do, then so be it. Similarly, what does it really matter if you only want to buy a 6 pack drink on a curb and oggle girls as they walk by?
I don't see a Bt 10,000 tip to a dancer as a clear sign of someone being "sexually thwarted" or "emotionally inept". I just think they have a lot of dough and enjoy giving it away.
Others may disagree with this view and then some would suggest that participating on discussion boards such as BTF is a symptom of the two items mentioned above.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:39 am on Oct. 29, 2005
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