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expatchuck
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Mr. Alan:
Maybe the reason he didn't play this well in some previous years was because he wasn't surrounded by the talent he apparantly has this year.
I noticed one of your picks for well rated QBs had an interesting day:
34 of 56 for 328 yards, 2 sacks, 2 TDs and SIX (Yep, Martha, SIX) interceptions in a 23-21 loss.
Peyton had a bad day. Does this remove him from your top 15 list?
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Posted on: 10:00 pm on Nov. 12, 2007
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thaiaficionado
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Can you imagine what Favre could have done with receivers like Raymond Berry, John Mackey, and Lenny Moore? I agree that Montana deserves a No.1 ranking, mostly because of his outstanding leadership skills, but I think Favre is No.2 all time, ahead of Johnny U.
His receivers aren't all that great this year, there were 4 dropped passes Sunday, but he's spreading the ball around. Of the 33 completions, nobody had more than 5 receptions.
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Posted on: 10:47 pm on Nov. 12, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from expatchuck on 12:15 am on Nov. 13, 2007
Mr. Alan:
Maybe the reason he didn't play this well in some previous years was because he wasn't surrounded by the talent he apparantly has this year.
I noticed one of your picks for well rated QBs had an interesting day:
34 of 56 for 328 yards, 2 sacks, 2 TDs and SIX (Yep, Martha, SIX) interceptions in a 23-21 loss.
Peyton had a bad day. Does this remove him from your top 15 list?
As I stated, Manning is still active, and he can go up or down on my list. My ranking of Manning was an estimate based on my expectation that he would win at least 2 more Super Bowls.
Believe it or not, Manning engineered a comeback that should have won the game except for a very short field goal that was missed in the last minute. Some of those pass INT were Hail Mary's at the end of each half.
Personally, I don't like Manning, or the Colts, but I don't let personal feelings get in the way of my QB rankings.
Regarding talent on the Packers, they are playing better as a team this year, mainly because Favre has decided to give a damn for some reason. The Packers (and Favre) played well at the end of last season also, so I don't buy the "talent is better this year" theory.
My theory is that interceptions are devastating to team morale, especially the ones returned for TD's, and now that Favre is at least trying to not to throw INTs, the Packers are willing to put forth a team effort.
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Posted on: 5:46 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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I suggest there would be less dropped passes if they got rid of the helmets!
Mel 
I also believe that the recievers could run faster if they didn't wear all trhose pads.
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Posted on: 5:49 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from thaiaficionado on 1:02 am on Nov. 13, 2007
Can you imagine what Favre could have done with receivers like Raymond Berry, John Mackey, and Lenny Moore? I agree that Montana deserves a No.1 ranking, mostly because of his outstanding leadership skills, but I think Favre is No.2 all time, ahead of Johnny U.
His receivers aren't all that great this year, there were 4 dropped passes Sunday, but he's spreading the ball around. Of the 33 completions, nobody had more than 5 receptions.
Favre has had some pretty good receivers over the years:
Antonio Freeman
Sterling Sharpe
Donald Driver
Robert Brooks
Bubba Franks
Bill Schroeder
Javon Walker
Mark Chmura
Dorsey Levens
Ahman Green
Can you name (without looking) any of the receivers that John Elway had?
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Posted on: 5:55 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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expatchuck
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Why do you feel it is necessary to name any of Elway's receivers. He isn't the QB in question, here. Trying a little subject change, here?
The QB under debate is Favre and you are the only one that is questioning his ranking as a top 15 of all time QB. Favre must have beaten your favorite team quite a few times to have earned this distinction.
As far as Manning's comeback attempt is concerned, I only have one question. Who won the game? All else pales into insignificance. You dismiss some of his interceptions as being of the "Hail, Mary" class yet I expect you will find it hard to concede the same for Favre.
In my poorly educated and ill-written opinion, the worth of a good QB is how many games they win for you and, subsequently, how many championship trophys are added to your shelves. Ain't nobody beat old Bret for games won.
By the way, who is your favorite team?
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Posted on: 10:14 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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expatchuck
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Mel:
We have suffered through all the interminable threads about soccer so why not just butt out and let us have our fun.
If you use that little mouse thingy correctly, you won't ever have to open this thread again and get bored reading our messages.
And we won't get bored reading your little swipes at us. 
Deal?? 
Edit in: Better? 
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Posted on: 10:17 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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jumpinjack
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I started this thread. Sorry, I must add comments even though the comments have nothing to do with my original question.
Alan, your opinion is just that. Your list of Packer wideouts makes the case for #4 very clearly. Except for Sharpe, Favre made those wideouts. The only other possible legit is Javon Walker who has talent. Example, Billy Schroeder could not run a route correctly unless Favre drew a diagram in the huddle. No such luck at Detroit. He made Bubba an all pro, any other qb Bubba lasts one year in the NFL. The others were average at best.
For the most part all the others were average at best and #4 made them good. Over a 17 year career no qb was asked to do more with less than Favre and his performance has been mostly consistent. Again, most knowledgeable observers place Favre among the greatest. Clearly, championships alone do not measure the greatest...Terry Bradshaw one of the greatest?
Make your case all day long. Simply, most with knowledge of NFL and history do not agree with you.
Hmmm.......Broncos wideout? ALL PRO Rod Smith, the three amigos and All pro te S.Sharpe.
Ok, now can anybody now tell us how to pick up Monday Night football games in Thailand? The end.
P.S. Mel, as an American football fan watching this years rugby cup I must admit those are some tough m.....s
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Posted on: 11:36 am on Nov. 13, 2007
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IBFarang
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Quote: from jumpinjack on 2:51 am on Nov. 14, 2007
Ok, now can anybody now tell us how to pick up Monday Night football games in Thailand?
CNBC rebroadcasts the game later in the week.
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Posted on: 6:56 pm on Nov. 13, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from expatchuck on 12:29 pm on Nov. 13, 2007
Why do you feel it is necessary to name any of Elway's receivers. He isn't the QB in question, here. Trying a little subject change, here?
The QB under debate is Favre and you are the only one that is questioning his ranking as a top 15 of all time QB. Favre must have beaten your favorite team quite a few times to have earned this distinction.
As far as Manning's comeback attempt is concerned, I only have one question. Who won the game? All else pales into insignificance. You dismiss some of his interceptions as being of the "Hail, Mary" class yet I expect you will find it hard to concede the same for Favre.
In my poorly educated and ill-written opinion, the worth of a good QB is how many games they win for you and, subsequently, how many championship trophys are added to your shelves. Ain't nobody beat old Bret for games won.
By the way, who is your favorite team?
The point about Elway is that I think Favre had better receivers overall than Elway. And Favre played in a very week division most of his career, playing 2 games each year against the pitiful teams their division.
If you want to remove Manning from my top 10 list, I am not going to make a strong argument about it. My ranking of him is a projected ranking by the time he finishes his career, and unless he wins at least one more Super Bowl, he is off my list. But interestingly, even after throwing 6 INT’s this week, Manning still only has 2 more (10) INT’s than Favre (8) for the season. We will have to see how they end up when the season is over.
As I said, I don't personally like Manning, and I usually turn the TV channel when one of his commercials comes on because it makes me a little sick to listen to him. His bother Eli is terrible in my opinion, one of the worst first overall draft picks in history.
Green Bay has a stellar defense this year. 3rd in the NFL in points allowed, but I certainly admit that Favre is playing well, just as he did at the end of last year. Why did he play so poorly in the 5 previous years and the first half the last year? Even as well as Favre is playing, he is only 5th in QB ratings for the year. Bret has won a lot of games, but he has played in a lot also. As I mentioned earlier, a NFL championship team today plays 19 games in a season (even if they get a bye in first round). When Unitas played most of his career, the NFL champs only played 13 games (12 regular season and 1 championship game). That is a 46% difference in games per year and the stats pile up faster.
I am not saying Favre is terrible, but there are a lot of other great QB's who have played the game and I believe Favre is overrated.
Consider Otto Graham. Graham played six seasons in the NFL and took the Cleveland Browns to the NFL Championship Game all six seasons, winning three NFL titles. Including four other seasons in which his team captured four AAFC titles [before the Browns joined the NFL], Graham played ten total seasons of professional football and made the league championship game all ten seasons, winning seven league titles.
My favorite team? I would say the Broncos, but I no longer live in Denver. But it really doesn't matter, since even among Packers, I rate Bart Starr higher. I don't think Lombardi would have played Favre because he is too much of a loose canon.
But, everyone has their own opinion about these matters.
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Posted on: 7:03 pm on Nov. 13, 2007
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