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princeinnocent
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nice analyses, but then again: looks you see first hand, attitude you find out later. I pay more up front for a promising beauty then for a not-know less stunning girl. We talk about non significant differences here. I want to look forward to go into the sheets with her and not think about "did I pay 100 baht to much"?
Apart from that: in general every car takes you from A to B and yet there is tremendous difference in price. I like nice cars as well.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:22 pm on July 15, 2010
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Joe Wood
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Quote from BK.......... ".....but I have not had any for the last 8-9 years..........."
I offer my condolences, BK.
You do surprise me.
As for the point about guys thinking that the massage fee covers everything else, you can't be serious. That's a joke.
I know for sure that there have been guys in the past, waiting around premises when maybe only a few employees are left on site to service the stragglers, to dip in, get the goodies and leave without paying a cent more for the extras.
300 or 400 baht for the basic massage for an hour. No-one is that innocent to think that that price includes all the extras. It's called robbery and rape, not forgetfulness and those guys are just cheap thieves and what amounts to being rapists since consent was not given on an understanding of no money.
Yes, I remember when the British pound was 77 baht to the pound and prices then were the same as they are today, the exchange rate being around 50 baht to the pound. I don't complain about the prices being the same.
Yes, there are higher and lower prices quoted and obtained. We also have guys coming on here boasting that they got some either for free or a pittance.
In an oilie, the standard rate is 500 baht for a HJ.
1000 baht for a ( usually covered ) bj
and 1,500 baht for FS.
In the low season and in this post-red protest period when customer numbers are down, you can negotiate to a lower price if you think that's fair. Personally, I don't.
As for equating the buying of sex with any other service, like dental cleaning or buying a car, what the **** ?
I suppose if you view bought sex as purely a mechanical cold f***, then I suppose, at a stretch of the imagination, you could.
But quite honestly I think most guys are looking for something a little more than that,if not a lot more,depending on the interaction and the chemistry.
Yes, these girls are working, but I don't think you can equate what they offer and give, to the meagre and minimal services rendered in the West.
You might refer to some ladies in the West as being "independent contractor prostitutes", but by my measure of human decency and warmth, the vast majority of these ladies are far, far more than that.
And as for tipping over and above the massage fee and the extras fee, well, that is up to each individual and if some guys are uncomfortable at the thought of other guys tipping,well,so be it.
Making a living as a female in Thailand is not an easy thing either inside or outside the industry.
Ladies who opt or who are pressured or coerced to work in the industry are just there to work. Some bars allow the ladies the option to refuse to go with a customer.
Other bars make it a term of employment that whatever the guy looks like, smells like, however polite, drunk or objectionable he is, the lady goes with him.
I don't begrudge any tip that these ladies might get on top of the agreed terms.
Can you guys mentally turn the tables around for just one second and imagine that it is you, thonged and gyrating on the stage, having to accept the propositioning of ladies of all ages, mostly far older than you, and you have no idea whether they are washed, have fleas, lice, bad breath, smelly feet, syphilis, gonorrhoea, HIV or any one of a countless number of things that you could contract from them ?
And you can't tell me that your interaction with your dentist, brick-layer, T.V. repair-man or car salesman is that close.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 3:06 pm on July 16, 2010
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johnnyk
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I must say if the lady that i'm dancing/ girating for is fat smelly and has fleas let alone Hiv I would have to increase the price and expect a tip.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:47 pm on July 16, 2010
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Joe Wood
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I congratulate you. A really well-thought out response and funny too.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 10:07 am on July 17, 2010
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AdventureDude
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Seems most of us agree at least in principal that the standard fees are 500/1000/1500.
I always just pay the standard fee unless specifically quoted a lower fee by the provider. So the total typically runs 2200-2300. If the service truly is NOT as advertised which almost never happens, I reduce the standard fee to what is appropriate.
For unenthusiastic or unskilled service, I vote with my feet by not returning or by selecting a different provider on the next go...
The occasional exception might be a triple shot - all bbbj, in which case I have paid the 1500 FS price...
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:17 pm on July 17, 2010
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NicFrenchy
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Experiences that goes over and above the "routine" should be rewarded with money over and above the standard.
But also, wouldn't it be fair to say that sub-par service should also come with a discount?
I was once amazed by one provider... (she then became a weekly f*** but that's another story). I went into this massage place and the lady offered body massage + BBBJ for 1,000. she sucked for a good 30mn and there was no way I could come... we went already overtime and I asked her to stop. Got dressed, gave her 1,000 and was ready to leave.
She said she was really sorry I could not finish and maybe she did bad job, then handed me back 500. I was stunned. She did make a lot of efforts even though I could not climax. I gave her back the 500 anyway, but was very impressed with her gesture.
Tipping goes both ways I believe.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:38 pm on July 17, 2010
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Serembanmen
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that nice quote... anyway how u make her become weekly f***, just want to know. Thank
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:38 am on July 18, 2010
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david 85260
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Quote Joe Wood:
In an oilie, the standard rate is 500 baht for a HJ.
1000 baht for a ( usually covered ) bj
and 1,500 baht for FS.
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Exactly!
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As for equating the buying of sex with any other service, like dental cleaning or buying a car, what the **** ?
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You miss the point my friend; An independent contractor is any person who sets their own rates for services rendered; So the point is relevant from the stand point of someone with a sixth grade to high school education charging as much as a Doctor with a professional staff and fixed expenses for the same amount of time the service is rendered.
Quote: You might refer to some ladies in the West as being "independent contractor prostitutes", but by my measure of human decency and warmth, the vast majority of these ladies are far, far more than that.
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In your dreams! You have been smitten. They are independent contractors.
Joe why don't you compare what these girls have to do to earn 1500 THB for an hours work with what their Thai sisters are doing on any street you walk down in Bangkok; like digging ditches, shoveling concrete, working 12 - 16 hours a day all for the whopping fee of 180 -220 THB PER DAY? Who BTW are very attractive in many cases if one would only take the time to look at them.
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Quote: Making a living as a female in Thailand is not an easy thing either inside or outside the industry.
Spot on!
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Quote: And you can't tell me that your interaction with your dentist, brick-layer, T.V. repair-man or car salesman is that close.
The only similarity is this; they are all independent contractors and they all charge what they perceive or need for their service to make a profit. I do not negotiate fees with any one; they quote it and if I want it...I pay.
I have been around and I also live here too. Most places I go to the rates are as stated over and over again on this forum; however every once in a while I will try a new place where the poor working girl quotes me 2000 - 3000 for a BJ, or like the foot massage lady who quoted me 1000 for a HJ and I stupidly paid it because she had the whole world in her hands. But for her and as sweet as she was I certainly hope she is not waiting for me to return any time soon.
I give the most generous tips to the lady's who do straight massage with no extras; IMHO they work extremely hard for just a small cut of the already low massage fee.
Have I ever paid over and above the quoted rate from the independent contractor? Absolutely!
Will I ever do it again? Most probably.
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I would also like to add something as an 'Edit' to my post:
No one respects people more than I do. I treat everyone the same regardless of their heritage, position in life, profession or standing in society. I do not Wai anyone nor do I look down on anyone. For my money a Thai prostitute is heads and shoulders above a Hi So Chinese/Thai who employs a 16 -18 year old maid / nanny for 4000 THB per month! But that is not the point or the issue we are discussing.
And so the issue is not about respect or the problems that Thai woman face in a raciest society; but one of remuneration for service rendered. I do not know anyone who lurks about looking for a 'cheaper' price only because the business / traffic is down.
When I walk into an oily; my intention is to have my way with the provider regardless of whether it is a HJ, BJ or FS...I always pay the max of at least 1500 or more but never
less than that. I figure if I am taking her time: then as such I need to compensate her for the time she spends with me...so it is always at a minimum of 1500.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:43 am on July 19, 2010
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david 85260
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http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Coconut-Bar-Pattaya.htm
Paying over the odds is a personal choice and no-one should be criticised for how they choose to spend their hard-earned. But with that said, many foreigners in Thailand do criticise their fellow farang for paying what they consider to be over the odds, especially when they see negative consequences of those actions i.e. prices rising because of this perceived overpaying. The net effect could be that they end up paying more than they otherwise may have because others have been paying more than was necessary and that new amount becomes the norm. The funny thing is that Westerners paying over the odds is now having an effect on some Thais! After a long period of little in the way of price increases for rental properties in Bangkok, I am seeing more and more evidence that the cost of renting in Bangkok is increasing, at least at some levels of the market. Places where lower middle class Thais used to stay are now infested with foreigners. Rooms that once went for 3,500 - 4,000 are going for double that to clueless foreigners who have no idea what the locals would pay / how much the rooms used to be rented out at.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:47 am on July 20, 2010
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jdfmail
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I agree these are the prices 500 1000 1500 but if someone is not knowing they might think the 800 house fee includes all. I've been to places outside of Thailand that charged only $5 in the recent past. I know there are several countries that are still $10 to $15
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:17 am on July 23, 2010
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