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chateaujade
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Yes, Chompoo, so I have been told. The problem then becomes a marketing one. Gaow (or whoever was behind the curtain doing the computer work) got her listed on the Max Fisch Directory and that is for Dommes (and a few pro subs) not for the little dress up foreplay and then F&S that you are talking about (I am trying hard to make that not sound patronizing, perhaps with no success.) The people who use Max Fisch to find Dommes all over the world want the whole enchilada, not just a whiff of salsa in the breeze.
Also no one comes to a Dungeon (here or anywhere) to have sex, not in any conventional sense.
I agree completely that getting a BG or escport into some leather and having her wear the right sort of heels or boots, and hold a plonge flogger, is going to turn on a whole lot of guys; and incorporating some role play into the subsequent vanilla sex, likewise.
But how to do the marketing so that the hard core Sceners won't be desceived and disappointed, while the audience you are suggesting is out there, doesn't get scared off thinking that she's of sterner stuff that she really is? That's a problem.
Then there's pricing, where to put the bottom line? Vanilla guys think Scene prices are crazy, even though we charge at CJ 10% of the fees anywhere else.
So a Gaow can't charge even what we charge if I am right.
What WAS she charging anyway?
Christy for example gets 6000 baht for 2 hours of Domination. That's 3000 an hour.
We charge 16,000 for 12 hours.2 Dommes, that's 1500 baht/2 Dommes/hour.
But we insist on 12 hours, although someone can leave early if they want to or have to. (Very few do).
750 baht per Domme/hr isn't much. A Domme in the US averages about $150 to $250 an hour and probably expects a tip! And there's no guarantee that's she's even any good.
But business sucks this year so I am disinclined to raise prices.
MAYBE we will start doing short sessions, but, there's not much chance we will try to do the glorified vanilla thing, I will leave that to Marc or Club One or some other enterprising sod. (No, Marc, I did not just call you a sod. Pls don't hit me.)
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:27 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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FIB
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Mistress Virginia back to CJ ? This is great news indeed ! One of the session I had with her rates as one of the best (if not the best) I experienced. I am still shivering thinking about it...
fib.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:33 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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Chompoo
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Advertising to the wrong crowd was definitely a bad move. Hopefully, most of those guys could tell from her website that she was just playing around.
I don't recall what she charged, but remember it being significantly more than a standard BG, yet still much less than prices in the states. Since her service was relatively rare, she could command a premium price. Very much like Eden, actually. And she certainly did not need many customers to keep her in business.
What she was doing was also significantly more dangerous for her than the average BG experience. Not only are more kooks going to be attracted to that kind of fantasy, but also in the heat of the moment things can easily get out of hand.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:38 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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chateaujade
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FIB, yes Virginia is returning to roost as Managing Mistress. She will be also doing session for her established subs such as yourself, but not for subs she hasn't Scened with before.
As you can imagine this arrangement is necessary to keep harmony in the House, as otherwise the other five Dommes would make julienne fries out of me, for breaking their rice bowls. And rightly so!
Anyway unattainability never hurt any Domme's reputation.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 8:56 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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chateaujade
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Chompoo, you are right, what she was doing was dangerous, more danger than I would care to place any woman into for the sake of money. Anyone considering following in her footsteps is well advised to only do incall and to protect themslves (this is not the place to discuss how).
Personally I found it impossible to acculturate BGs/MPs into the Scene, and so I am a little skeptical of how to even bring some up to speed at Gaow's level, not to mention the fairly sophisticated English language skills required for the role play.
It's a conundrum.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:05 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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sandiegon
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No CJ I am not Gorean but do know lots Gorean. Matter of fact there is a town in Montana which I visited 6 years ago is full Gorean and whole town is built on this lifestyle.... Well let me know what are your charges to use your dungeon if I ever end up with slave in bkk again. Is kind a hard to play in hotel room with limited equipments and you know how it goes...
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Posted on: 10:39 pm on Oct. 1, 2002
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olli
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chateau jade, sounds all very convincing.
btw 1000ft size hall? that is not big enough for bullwhip session?
i could get hold of a 6ft long single tale. how about that instrument- probably easier to control as well. i think it has a bendable metal core and kangoroo leather around.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:02 am on Oct. 2, 2002
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chateaujade
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Olli, that's more like a stockwhip, but the same problems apply. Roo hide is tough. Cores are usually not metal, metal would be worse. Six foot of single tail is short enough to make it inside the hall but how to compress the LONG learning curve for the whip mistress while you wait?
That whip is still a deadly weapon. Try it yourself on a pillow or a side of beef (protect your eyes and don't have any innocent bystanders around) and see what happens.
FRANKLY I think you are having us on. What you are proposing is so preposterous that it is difficult to take you at face value. You might as well hand a girl a .44 Magnum and say "Just graze me with it." That would take less skill and precision than a stockwhip, you see?
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Posted on: 8:38 am on Oct. 2, 2002
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Hum
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CJ, I see you were asking about Gaow's prices. She was 4000 for 2 hrs and 8000 for overnight. I had her for 6000 for 4 hours. She was a sub for me. I agree with some of the other posters here that when you can combine the kink and sex it is great.
I understand that your establishment won't provide the full effect, are there others who will? maybe Mistress Christies with her 2 subs?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:49 pm on Oct. 4, 2002
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chateaujade
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Mistress Christy (note spelling, Max Fisch has it wrong) at http://www.mistresschristy.com
I spoke to her a few days ago regarding her subs
Sessions are 2 hrs or 4 hours. For sub sessions prices range from 3000 to 10,000 baht for 2 hours. Ms Christy prefers to be involved in the session but not as a sub.
Pls contact her for details, she prefers to disclose those directly.
I can tell you that usually her sessions are weekday afternoons only; weekends in afternoon are iffy. Mornings and nighttime/overnight are flat out of bounds, she has other commitments.
As to Chateau Jade
We have one switch. In her sub role she is sexually available but she has limits in this regard and also regarding other play. Pls PM me or email me. Her name is Mistress Yuey and you can see her photos on our website
http://www.chateaujade.com
Her sessions as a sub alone would be 24 hrs for 16,000 baht and we are very picky who we let play with her this way. Meals and drinks included.
We frankly prefer that one of our Dommes be involved, if so the price is same, time is 12 hours. For a session with a first time guest we are far more likely to agree to this. Once you are known to us obviously that's different.
Unlike our good friend Mistress Christy we are very (almost totally) flexible about starting times, we do allow overnight. We do not do outcall of any sort. We are open 24/7 and do not much care about holidays.
I hope you find this responsive.
Thanks for Gaow's prices. I think she badly undervalued herself (or at least for what she might have become given the right guidance), but then she was apparently thinking like a BG and not like a Domme (or a pro sub). But then she really wasn't in the Scene, her scene-ness was about as thick as the pvc she wore (or leather, or latex...whatever) as far as I can see.
Maybe that sounds arrogant but without knowing her it is hard to analyze, my crystal ball does not always allow 20/20. I would have liked to have met her, If we clicked at all (no I do not mean in bed) I likely would have given her some better business advice than she seems to have been getting.
I am disappointed that she needed to continue turning vanilla tricks in parallel with her psuedo-kink. This suggests that the market for the latter was insufficient to fill up her time or produce enough revenue.
Best of luck
D.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:11 pm on Oct. 4, 2002
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