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johnnyk
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Here's my 2 cents worth, Its only Cheating if you fall in love.
And many do, now thats cheating.
Getting a blow job is no more cheating than getting a foot massage, whats the diffrence?
I just love my foot massages, sometimes more than the BJ, so is that considered still cheating.
Its all a matter of opinion.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:25 am on May 11, 2009
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Joe Wood
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Cheating, in my opinion, is only when there is investment of the heart.
Otherwise, as johnnyk says, it's just like giving any other service, like a foot massage.
Mind you, now that you have come to mention it, the next time I sink my teeth into a sandwich, I'm going to relish it more than ever.
And as for you, jibblies, my friend, I think that both you and I know that some girls have no choice. That froma very early age they are coerced, badgered, bullied, brow-beaten and emotionally blackmailed to enter this profession to earn money for the lazy scum back in dear old family home sweet home.
And as we all know, family and parents come first over everything and everybody, because otherwise you gain no merit at all in the eyes of the Buddha.
Anyway, I think you are writing from a particular point of view about a particular circumstance. In this field, I don't think you can apply generalisations so much at all.
Just think of all the girls you know in this profession.
Their individual circumstances are countless and varied.
As for girls pursuing material goods and marketed illusions, this consumer society is no different from any other in that respect.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:00 am on May 11, 2009
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jibblies
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"Cheating, in my opinion, is only when there is investment of the heart."
In that case a guy who had a partner working in p4p wouldn't be cheating if he went for a simple quick release with someone else then, would he? What's fair is fair. If she's doing it, then he can too.
The "it's work" excuse is bollocks because she *chose* the work. He may as well use the excuse "it's exercise". Again, he chose the form of exercise so it's no excuse at all.
And in the case of the Lolita's girl giving bjs for money while not pretending to her partner that she couldn't do them, what kind of "investment of the heart" was she giving him then?
I've know quite a lot of girls in p4p and the more I get to know about them, the less I believe that they "have no choice". Again, it's what they'd like you to believe. But look around - you'll see girls from poorer families, girls who have stood up to silly family requests. (You can even find different examples in the same family).
Usually they'll try to feed you the pitiful angle first but the longer you know a girl, the more you'll notice how much her own habits wilfully contribute to her situation.
Often I'd say the families don't even push them but, when the girl can't resist showing off her new money, they simply see how much she's making and reach to grab some once it's there. The girl persists partly because she likes the status. Despite what so many say, they actually *like* it.
I'd say it's cheating when it's a betrayal of the other person's heart. You can't make a unilateral decision that blowjobs aren't cheating, whether you're a p4p provider or a bloke with a girlfriend or wife. At the most basic level, if you wouldn't want your partner to do the same thing or get the same service with another, it's cheating to do it yourself.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:51 am on May 12, 2009
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Joe Wood
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Well, this, to most, is drifting quite a way from the Lolita theme but I would take it that jibblies is writing from a particular stance in which he has at some time in the past or present, felt that he has either been cheated upon or denied or both, all of which result in pain when it has a platform of deep emotion.
But for the regular or ordinary monger who indulges in taking a girl for a while, there is usually no emotional content at all or over time, very little.
Maybe someone will start separate threads on 'cheating' or ' jealousy' or 'being emotonally hurt'.
One of the attractions of indulging in places like Lolita's or SOL or any other venue for that matter is that you can visit, have your way and then, be on your way with no strings, no come-back, no promises and no repercussions ( hopefully, assuming you maintain your healthy condition).
A businesss transaction entered into, with no strings attached after the occurence.
Guys go in, take advantage of the service offered and leave. Money ( well ? ) spent.
Service providers service the customer, bid farewell and wait for the next customer. No strings. Money ( well ? ) earned.
Codes of morals and sets of values and ethical considerations are conveniently shelved and set aside on both sides, to enable the indulgence of something which is perceived by most constructs of human communities and social systems as threatening or dangerous not only to those systems but in themselves.
A guy whose life and work is bound and described by social convention, tradition, propriety and the expectation of others, chooses to suspend them for a time to allow him to indulge. Hypocritical, maybe.
A service provider has to do that for such a long period of time in her working life, that it alters her perception and approach to human relations, damages her self-perception and distorts her view of and personal stance towards 'normal' and 'naturally' developed human relations between the sexes.
To my mind, a guy who is never physically 'unfaithful' to his partner, but who lusts after every passing piece of eye candy in the presence of his partner, is cheating unmercilessly and being far more dishonest than the guy who pops into Lolita's, pops and pops out again to go on his way and to get on with his life.
But this raises the issue that in this world of ours in which we operate within the rules of law and social convention and moral strictures and considerations, it is only a matter of degree as to how much we 'err'.
Show me the the human being who has never 'cheated' in his or her life,and I'll show you a liar.
We all, in our separate ways have to come to terms with and live through the artificiality of our constructed worlds and the un-naturalness of living with one partner and all the stresses and strains that they impose on an individual.
Some choose to live near the edge, unrestrained and unhindered by a 'secure' relationship, become a monger or service provider and go their own way. We still get burned occasionally along the way. Mind you, we are only human.
Others choose not to act, but having chosen inactivity, become the vctims of neuroses and paranioa and display symptoms of stress and mental anguish and frustration and usually express these in hurting and / or ignoring those nearest to them.
Apologies to Lolita fans accessing the thread for torrid accounts of ejaculatory pleasure. But after the furore and the howls of indignation have died down, I'm sure some self-respecting monger will take up the chore of describing his personal Lolita experiences again on this thread.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:02 pm on May 12, 2009
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jroirqbkk
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Thank you Mr. Wood! Well said.
I agree, it is a matter of personal view or moral compass. On most days there (and even some days here) I don't think about whether or not this is cheating, whether the BG or SP really wants to be doing this in order to make a few baht. I think about that pretty smiling face and how good it is going to feel and how good it going to look when her lips are wrapped around Mr Happy.
Being an old bachelor, the thought as to whether I am cheating never really enters my mind, though brief discussions with the girls have shown they are indifferent to the thought. It seems money has a way of determining moral and ethical views. 555
Also, it is about time we got back to sharing our tales of debauchery from our experiences in places like Lolita's. That is, after all, why we are here and why we go to these places.
Unfortunatly my plans for a long stay in LOS have been delayed again in order to finish a couple projects (a good deal of money at stake), so my trip will not happen in June. Believe me, this is a big disappointment considering I have been unable to visit the LOS in over a year now. Have found other ways to get the itch scratched, but they don't compare to the Thai experience. When I do finally arrive in BKK, it will not be the thoughts of cheating or moral standards filling my mind, it will be... which girl has the best ass, tits and lips, which will be the one that can scratch that preverbial itch and which one will work the hardest for that tip? Maybe one will be appealing enough to travel with me to places like Chang Mai or other destinations or will I just find new ones along the way? But if all things go well, I will be able to stay for a month of more there, possibly even think about retiring. Then how long would I stay???
Once again I thank the creators of this forum and all those that contribute to all the threads, including this one in particular. This forum was great a great source of information before I made my first trip to the LOS and has continued to be a great source of information and entertainment over the last years
So I say to all... Take care and Enjoy!
JRO
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:07 pm on May 12, 2009
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jibblies
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To think that Cheapcharlie started all this tangential stuff with a throwaway comment... I was responding because it seems to me that if you can't tell your partner about something you've done, it's a pretty good indicator that it's cheating! 
Back to the main topic. They've lost their 3 cutest girls. Anyone found any of them elsewhere yet?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:24 am on May 13, 2009
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NicFrenchy
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Well they've got a pretty good one now...
Miss "Diamond tooth" is at LOLITAS
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:49 am on May 13, 2009
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cheapcharlie
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yes  hows the action at lolitas these days.
Have an upcoming family holday planned and will be in the area.
Er no my wife is not my mother no reason to tell her everything I do. Do I have to tell her every time I take a dump.
The same argument is used by governments to tell us we cannot use various substances except alcohol, but its NOTHING to do with them.
NicFrenchy Miss "Diamond tooth" please tell
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:50 am on May 13, 2009
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Joe Wood
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She will tell you herself in her own discernable and fellatious way.
A sweet lady by any measure.
And a practitioner of all great service provider skills.
Incomparable.
Long may she suck.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:36 pm on May 13, 2009
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NicFrenchy
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Quote: from cheapcharlie on 5:50 pm on May 13, 2009
NicFrenchy Miss "Diamond tooth" please tell
Ok, I am in a very good mood today so I will share this info:
Miss "Diamond Tooth" is no other than Miss TUK (ex-SOL superstar). She works the evening shift @ Lolitas under the name SOM.
She is a deepthroat expert!!
Enjoy
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:18 pm on May 13, 2009
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