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Quote: from Mr Alan on 12:18 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
They "have to"? Is there some law that says they have to? Don’t the French don't have individual rights to do as they please?
Certainly, no one is forced to adapt - so they do not "have to" -- on the other hand, French people around likewise do not "have to" give them jobs, sell porduct to them, or lend assistance. The smart people figure out that a compromise and adaptation invariably results in benefits to both parties. The dumb people invariably pout, bitch and riot. So, no, they do not "have to" - but then they should damn well shut up if they don't get what they want.
Quote: from 11bravo on 7:47 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
What is known for sure that, in 2 months, the people will be complaining about lack of public transportation (how many buses burnt), no stores to buy groceries, no company wants to invest in the area...
Oddly enough, that would remind me of the riots in LA, where the rioters burnt down their own neighborhoods, including their local grocery stores and social security offices -- and then complained the next week of having nothing to eat, and not getting money from the (burnt out) social security offices... Comparative psychology at its very best.
Quote: from Mr Alan on 12:18 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
Apparently France is intellectually backward country that does not respect the cultures of other people. That is not surprising since the French government has even banned such English words as “email” (no joke).
Interesting, it appears you have absolutely no familiarity with the French or their culture, for saying such crap - considering they are certainly intellectually advanced based on their cultural history, and French culture is very inclusive of different cultures.
(Though, yes, the Ministère de Culture has introduced the term 'couriel' (COURIer ELctronique) to replace 'email' in all government ministries, documents, publications or Web sites - which is part of the regular effort to keep French, well, French. They are good at it, and for good reason)
Quote: from barrafish on 1:48 pm on Nov. 6, 2005[br
]France did not give a shit about testing bombs in my Australian backyard of the Pacific a few years back, they would not do it on their own soil.
Technically, they *DID* it on their own soil - the atolls in French Polynesia they were conducting a series of nuclear tests on, were French possessions (hence, the 'French' in 'French Polynesia') -- unlike the Australians, I guess, which willingly let the British conduct nuclear weapons testing on their own soil?
So, please, barrafish, explain to me why you find it objectionable to critique the French about testing nuclear weapons on their own territory, yet apparently you have no issues (at least not enough to warrant a comment) with your own country loaning out your own soil, to test the same nuclear weapons? Would it have been better if the French had done the same and rented out space from Australia to blow up their bombs?
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/wayward/ch16.html
http://www.ippnw.org/MGS/V7N2Parkinson.html
http://www.naa.gov.au/Publications/fact_sheets/FS129.html
Quote: from dagul on 9:00 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
But a lot of people appear to have this notion that French society have this "if your not French, then your in the wrong" attitude.
Wrong. While you can certainly FIND this attitude, if you look for it (you can find people of similar attitude in ANY country and culture), in general the French are a very friendly and hospitable people -- IF YOU DO NOT ACT LIKE AN ASS. What they have, is extreme pride in their country and their culture (and, for good reason), and the attitude you may refer to is more "if you do not respect my culture, I won't give a shit about you". Oh, and they don't believe in handouts...
In fact, France is composed of large portions of immigrants from diverse backgrounds (mostly from former colonies), like Vietnam, Africa, Polynesia, etc... and those that have adopted French culture, or at least make efforts to blend in, are well received and do well.
In fact, compared to the US, I have encountered far less xenophobic sentiment in France, then within the US (the bastion of Freedom, I guess) - this claims that 'The French' are xenophobic and racist invariably come from people that have never been there, and never really lived (or visited) France.
Quote: from Mr Alan on 9:40 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
As we discussed in earlier threads, many of the world’s current problems are the result of this prior French imperialism in the Middle East, especially in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. We could also discuss the brutal French imperialism for over 100 years in Vietnam, or the French being responsible for World I and II, but why bother, since we all pretty much know the score by now.
I was going to resopnd to this drivel, but then I noticed that it was more crap from Mr.Alan and his fountain of knowledge. Seriously, Mr.Alan, I suggest you ask for a refund from your primary and secondary educational institutions, since, clearly, they have failed in their responsibilities.
I believe you will find that the French were not the only imperialist colonizers in the history of the world. Just two words for you "Adult Education"
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Posted on: 3:05 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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Quote: from barrafish on 1:48 pm on Nov. 6, 2005[br
]France did not give a shit about testing bombs in my Australian backyard of the Pacific a few years back, they would not do it on their own soil.
Technically, they *DID* it on their own soil - the atolls in French Polynesia they were conducting a series of nuclear tests on, were French possessions (hence, the 'French' in 'French Polynesia') -- unlike the Australians, I guess, which willingly let the British conduct nuclear weapons testing on their own soil?
So, please, barrafish, explain to me why you find it objectionable to critique the French about testing nuclear weapons on their own territory, yet apparently you have no issues (at least not enough to warrant a comment) with your own country loaning out your own soil, to test the same nuclear weapons? Would it have been better if the French had done the same and rented out space from Australia to blow up their bombs?
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/lcj/wayward/ch16.html
http://www.ippnw.org/MGS/V7N2Parkinson.html
http://www.naa.gov.au/Publications/fact_sheets/FS129.html
BTW, why would a country like France want to test nuclear weapons ? Who are they trying to scare and who are they scared of ? This is just another on-going joke with the French occupying a seat on the UN Security Council. Are they still one of the top 5 countries in the world ? France has not been a "power" of any kind in the last 20 years ! Why do they have the veto right in the UN ? and for that matter, should Russia remain on the Security Council as well ?
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Posted on: 4:52 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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The French have their share of quirks, no doubt, but it is also a very rich culture that has given the world many writers, painters, philosophers, etc. To dismiss them as "gutless frogs" because they didn't cheer on as GWB was getting prepared to go look for the non-existent WMD is a bit too far-fetched.
I am totally with the French on the headscarf ban. Why should they accomodate other cultures?? Out here in my country, we've been trying to accomodate everybody at all costs which resulted in astounding stupidity (e.g. it is illegal for citizens to carry concealed weapons unless you are a Sikh in which case you can carry a dagger, or you can carry a turban as part of the police uniform to accomodate your religious beliefs, etc.). This is, of course, bullshit that creates different laws for different groups of society, which sort of defeats the whole point of the exercise.
Some of the France-bashing that goes on here is really uncalled for. I wonder if guys like Mr Alan went from French-kissing their TGs to Freedom-kissing them....
I, for one, am sad to see a culture that gave us Voltaire and Maupassant being raped by a bunch of goons from Algiers.
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Posted on: 5:09 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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no doubt France has a rich, cultural heritage and should be respected as such. But so do India, Egypt, Japan........etc. That does not qualify them to be a world power and holds veto right in the UN Security Council. My point is with the France testing nuclear weapon : Can anyone tell me the necessity of such act of fruitility ?
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Posted on: 5:48 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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"My point is with the France testing nuclear weapon : Can anyone tell me the necessity of such act of fruitility ?"
Nuclear weapons = power. France was a force to reckon with at one point; today, they are easily eclipsed by the U.S., China, and others. Although France is still a "mover and shaker" in the EU (along with Germany), their power is waning and there will likely be more dilution with the arrival of Turkey and others. So nuclear weapons is their way of still being able to flex muscles. Sort of.
I am surprised that they've been so inept at quelling these riots; if police can't handle them, where are the troops? 9 days of rioting?? In such situations, I'd adopt a shoot-to-kill policy, no doubt.
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Posted on: 5:56 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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yes, I agree it's their way of holding on to power. But France having a nuclear weapon is like TBG holding a water pistol - pretty to look at, but who are they trying to scare ? Will they use it against the Germans ? the Brits ? or some of their former colonies ? and why would they use it ? becaue they won't buy the French wine or cheese ? It just seems to me a big waste of their national resources and $$. Better use of the $$ to improve their infrastructure, their education and their economy. Paris is a great city and I loved visiting it. Keep the goons out of that city at all costs.
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Posted on: 6:10 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 3:44 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
I was going to resopnd to this drivel, but then I noticed that it was more crap from Mr.Alan and his fountain of knowledge. Seriously, Mr.Alan, I suggest you ask for a refund from your primary and secondary educational institutions, since, clearly, they have failed in their responsibilities.
I believe you will find that the French were not the only imperialist colonizers in the history of the world. Just two words for you "Adult Education"
Where did I say that the French were the only imperialist colonizers in the history of the world? But certainly in the 19th and 20th centuries the French were a major colonial power, along with Britain, Spain, Netherlands, Germany, and others.
The point is that the reason those immigrants are in France today is a direct result of the colonial activities of French colonialism in Middle Eastern and African nations. The other point is the that we are still suffering from 19th and 20th century colonialism in the Middle East, of which the French were a major players.
Your ad hominem attacks are very childish.
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Posted on: 7:08 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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Quote: from manowar on 5:31 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
BTW, why would a country like France want to test nuclear weapons ? Who are they trying to scare and who are they scared of ? This is just another on-going joke with the French occupying a seat on the UN Security Council. Are they still one of the top 5 countries in the world ? France has not been a "power" of any kind in the last 20 years ! Why do they have the veto right in the UN ? and for that matter, should Russia remain on the Security Council as well ?
The French have nuclear weapons so they can butt-f*** the US, which they have been doing quit successfully for the last 15 years.
The number one enemy of the US is not North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Syria, or even Al Qaeda. It is France.
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Posted on: 7:12 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 3:15 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
So, this is a north african fringe group of immigrants, then? The media over here does not at all make that clean, white washing as they do with everything. It's always 'protesters' and 'youths' - finally, in last night's edition of CNN, they mentioned that the originating incident involved 'two teenagers (-both of african descent-) '
Thanks for explaining some of this - knowing who's involvd in this (and having lived in France myself for long stretches), it makes a lot more sense, now.
The rioters are Muslims mainly of North African decent. But other Muslims from the Middle East are also involved. These are "immigrants" from former or current French colonies in Africa and the Middle East. Make sense now?
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Posted on: 7:18 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:56 am on Nov. 7, 2005
But other Muslims from the Middle East are also involved. These are "immigrants" from former or current French colonies in Africa and the Middle East. Make sense now?
Your vain efforts to try to blame this on the French, or rather to blame EVERYTHING on the French are just that - in vain.
What makes sense, now, is that what we have in France is just another group of Muslim troublemakers -- clearly, trying to maintain their status quo of being perceived as worthless troublemakers. Everything else I have seen in this thread (with the exception of your contributions) confirms that.
Quote: from Mr Alan on 8:46 am on Nov. 7, 2005
The point is that the reason those immigrants are in France today is a direct result of the colonial activities of French colonialism in Middle Eastern and African nations. The other point is the that we are still suffering from 19th and 20th century colonialism in the Middle East, of which the French were a major players.
By this logic, then the biggest mistake of the colonial powers (or, just of France, in your world) was that they left, and they returned sovereignty to the countries in the middle east and Africa, right?
Further, by your logic, where are the riots in Britain, Spain, Netherlands, Germany, and others... who all played similar colonial games... Should they have yielded the same harvest for them?
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Posted on: 7:45 pm on Nov. 6, 2005
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