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Sporadic
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Bravo, I could show you how to fly an F-14, but I could not show you how to play like Ty Cobb! 
The baggy-pants hipsters really crack me up (no offense if you are a young hipster here gents, it just would not work for me!)
I see these kids at Heathrow, heading back to the gulf with a serious hang-dog expression, not looking forward to trading in their "cool clothes" for a dish-dash. Kind of sad really, but I guess they had their fun.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:36 am on June 12, 2005
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Barcrawler
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Quote: from 11bravo on 11:39 pm on June 11, 2005Understand. Just like the highlight of York Thursday night was the guy with baseball cap on sideways, baggy pants, gold chains, and a T. Cobb baseball jersey. This guy would no more know who Cobb was than I would know how to fly an f14.
I was there - Classic, spotted him about the same time as the bands miss judged attempt at At a Beyonce song.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 6:47 am on June 12, 2005
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11bravo
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Quote: from Barcrawler on 2:59 pm on June 12, 2005
I was there - Classic, spotted him about the same time as the bands miss judged attempt at At a Beyonce song.
That was just about the time I walked out the door, having my senses of sight and hearing assaulted.
Quote: from Sporadic on 6:51 pm on June 11, 2005
If I have a regular, proven provider over all night, I give 500 no questions asked. It is worth that to me, and so far, nobody has complained. For an excellent night, I will cough up 700, and it only hurts a little.
Will agree with Sporadic on the 500 rate.
Years past, I used to have a sliding scale: 500 max Cyclone (absolute), 400 York (maybe 500 for an a-list), 300 Imperial (400 a-list). However, now, complacent/inured/soft heart/mush brain (take your pick - multiple selections allowed), I usually won't bat an eye when quoted 500, regardless of office location (this for LT, weekends).
Yes, maybe if I'm feeling a bit feisty, or she's a definite b-list, or perhaps bit unsure of exactly what's on offer, I might try for a 400 (300 being long gone). But most times I won't push it. If she does balk, I'll most likely offer 400, with 500 for good service; nothing wrong with an incentive clause. And little does she know, she'll make the incentive as long as she provides all menu items agreed to, regardless of attitude. Yes, even the starfish, if she delivers what we agreed to, would get the 500; just wouldn't get any return business. But like Sporadic says, for a known provider, I will give 500, no regrets. After all, if I'm pulling her again, she must be good, and MY time is valuable.
So, the delta from 400 to 500, doesn't bother me. In MY warped perspective, I cannot say the same for the same delta applied upwards: 500 to 600. I do have a psychological barrier at 500. At least once, that has cost me; missed a chance with a very fun Cyclone girl (who I used to pull for 500). She had quoted 700 (weekend surcharge), I countered 500, she asked for 600. I hesitated; she gave me a disgusted look and moved off to be quickly snapped up by another. I ended up with a 500 starfish.
Stupid; lesson learned; saved 100, threw away 500.
But still, outside of Cyclone, 500 should provide a good time (and that's why I've stopped frequenting Cyclone).
Quote: from Sporadic on 6:51 pm on June 11, 2005
Gents while I appreciate your personal theoretical limits (logical not financial!) saying 500Dhs max LT, today in DXB will not net you top quality IMHO. It would appear that 700 Dhs. LT is about as low as they go for decent talent A, or A minus-List. This for four or five hours.
Recent research has validated this statement, at least for Cyclone (chinese). FR to follow.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:08 am on June 12, 2005
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11bravo
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Price check on Chinese flowers, Aisle 3
Just some personal, rambling observations of Cyclone scene
First, let me say I have a sentimental soft spot for Cyclone. 1st time in dxb, it was the place I went (very easy, was the ONLY place I'd heard of). Was a regular there, at least once a week, sometimes twice a week for 6 months. Then, reading this and other forum, found other places to go. But still, nothing like that virgin first time to hold fond memories...
Anyway, every now and again, I will pay a return visit (weekdays, NOT on weekends). Last night, Saturday, was one such. It's 70 dhs entrance, no drinks included. Was there from 10 to 12.
Walking in at 10, expected mix. No africans (don't recall seeing any at Cyclone, regardless of hour), few CIS, mainly Chinese there to catch the early ST. Few punters, ladies way outnumbering them. Did not see my fave a-list; thought she might be on her summer break. She did arrive 15 minutes later. When I chastized her for being late to the office, she excused herself by saying she had a friend in from england who she was looking after (yes, I'm SURE of that; lucky guy!) I have a standing joke with her: she's my market indicator; I claim she's always pulled for her 1st ST by 11:30. Last night, SLOW; even then she made the deadline with 20 minutes to spare.
The demarcation line for the chinese still seems to be in force, although I did see a few encroachments into the dmz between the small center bar and the large bar.
Pleasant surprise: another fave a-list who I hadn't seen in awhile. Almost didn't recognize her; she seemed to have grown 4 inches (in height; what were YOU thinking). But I know the secret; she cuts her pants long to hide the PLATFORMS. I tell her it's like an elevator (ground floor, please). She briefly stopped to say hi, explaining she was leaving tomorrow for china. Thus, she had the targeting radar on max; no time for chit-chat. Within the hour, gone.
Another nice surprise: another girl I hadn't seen for awhile was back. Remember her from 2 years ago; then, didn't do any talking; had a mentor do all her marketing. Wasn't that she couldn't speak english; she just didn't like the marketing aspect. Very happy to get the out-call rather than have to go to the bar. Now, she was the mentor; newbie in tow.
Disappointing: Keep hoping to see FanFan, the girl who gave the best massage (left during visa exodus). I do miss her. She was style, class, AND service. Gone for good, me thinks.
Bad news: Did not see good Lucy which was a real disappointment as, THIS time, I had remembered to bring her photos to give her. Should have known; my luck, photos and presence mutually exclusive.
Worse news: Bad Lucy was around, although, last night, she had left the gel pads at home, so the rack was only average (small compared to the normal cyclone ladies). MY view of her looks: chinese, with a slight touch of Indian (although that might be due to the TINY nose jewel she SOMETIMES wears). Anyway, MY experience with her: paid before, then LT turned to ST (which she does brag about to her friends). So, strongly suggest avoiding.
Plenty of a-lists around, the usual a+'s. Again, as usual these days, unlike years past, the next step down's were missing. One who was there did approach me. 2 weeks in-country, LIMITED english, no mentor in sight. She did not even understand my "sorry, tonight, only drink". She bravely continued on; I could actually hear the english lessons: "You are handsome man; I am lovely girl". Felt sorry for her; eventually, she did pop THE question: "You want lady tonight?". She moved off when I again declined, this time with a direct "No thank you."
Usual mix of familiar/new faces. As usual THESE days, the -stanis were conspicuous in their absence. Knew that night's market was bad when a Ukranian initiated a conversation. Sorry, did not ask price; even if it had been a 100 dhs, would not have said yes. I just did not find her attractive (adjective squat comes to mind). Some others around ok, but I did not see any stunning CIS. Then again, not really my thing. Approaching midnight, many more CIS present, more chinese, more punters.
One rail thin chinese, a familiar face to me, even if I don't register on her radar. Very popular (would not make my a-list, but obviously does a lot of other punter's), always wearing a very stylish dress (think upper-class nightclub). I did surprise her by stopping and speaking to her (think invisible man suddenly appears). Having seen her leave with a customer at 10:20, back at 11:30 alone, I complemented her on her professional service: "Done in 1 hour, very nice".
Did a perfunctory price survey. Difficult to REALLY say as I don't start serious negotiations unless I am really interested. Why haggle to get the lowest price, only to walk away? My sampling (all chinese) :
3 1000's:- Not an a-list. Girl did not know me, I did not know her. Her response to "How much?" was 500. When I asked "LT?", she replied, "500, 2 hours". I clarified to "all night"; answer, "1000". Wishful thinking / tourist price.
- A (minus) -list girl I'd pulled. Asked her. Rock solid 1000. However, year ago, we had had a harsh disagreement when she turned LT into ST and I paid her MY ST rate; advantage of Pay After. Her buzz-off price.
- Another A (minus) -list girl, turns out I did know her. I hadn't recognized her until she gave me her name; she was correct; I had pulled her before. She complained I had said I'd call her again, but hadn't. Her price was "1000, but, for you, special discount, 700". I really couldn't remember the details, but did remember there was SOME reason I had not called again. Legit price.
2 500's:- A (minus) -list girl I knew, but not pulled. Asked price; she gave me the non-commital answer "If I no like customer, high; if like, good price; I know you, like you; give you good price." When asked specifics, answer was "500". When I asked for ST/LT clarification, she just said "Up to you". I'd be a bit skeptical on the true duration; some a-list's definition of LT is "until you fall asleep". Exercise with caution.
- 1 "you know the price", nothing further from an a-list girl I knew, but not pulled. She knew I was only data sampling. no data.
- Another used-to-be-a-list, now slight below; pulled her in better days. Her response was "500". For the ST/LT clarification: "If not sleep with you, 300", so 500 was her LT rate. legit price.
700 dhs
- One other price point, from a weekend a month back: Had spotted an a-list Cyclone girl at York. Figuring I had a chance at my "Cyclone old time" rate of 500, asked her LT rate; "700". When I countered with "500, same before", she just smiled and walked away. 700 firm.
MY WAG:- 1000 (and up) is valid LT price for a+ (pluses).
- 1000 LT is tourist price for a-list.
- 700 LT is resident a-list price.
- 500 LT is for b-listers (though they are not as prevalent anymore)
- 500 ST is valid ST price for a+ (pluses).
- 500 ST is tourist price for a-list.
- 400 ST would be my guess for resident a-list prices.
- 300 ST for b-listers.
These were weeknight prices on a SLOW night. Would imagine a 100, 200 weekend surcharge might apply. YMMV, widely.
Almost worth the price of admittance: girl I know walks up, throws me the barb, "What are you doing here? Cyclone girls EXPENSIVE, not like York girls." Almost spit the drink out of my mouth, laughing so hard.
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MY view:
It's like baseball.
Cyclone is the major leagues. You get the best players, but also, the pro attitude. Because it's the pros who work at Cyclone. And just like the majors, you have the high ticket prices. I'm not saying you can't find a GF attitude there, but the pros are geared to making money, big money. If you've got it to spend, fine. But they do seem to come with an attitude.
York, Imperial, even Rockafellas, are the minor leagues. A few girls will eventually get called up to the majors (when they find their true market value), but the vast majority of the minor leaguers are just making a living, ok with a decent paycheck. If you love the game, then the minors are the best value for money. You don't have the exorbitant ticket prices. There is a feeling of having fun, if you know what I mean; with a decent paycheck, she's not looking at the clock, thinking how quick she can make it back to the bar. I'm not saying it's amateurish, but... much more likely to find a GFE there (IMHO).
I go to York, Imperial. You can flirt, bs, the girl will spend some time with you, hoping to convince you to make a deal. My experience last night at Cyclone: it was the usual litany * (where you come from, how long you stay dubai, where you stay, what's your name), then, THE question: you want lady. If the answer was NOT "Yes", QUICKLY given, then she'd move on. Now, this did have something to do with me being known/not known:- known - a number know my price ceiling, know they are outside it, so don't bother. Others know IF I want them, I'll say something; otherwise, they're looking for more likely targets
- not known - as I no longer frequent Cyclone, a number will not know if I am a player or a lookie-lou. No sense wasting time with a lookie-lou.
*translation- where you come from - as paychecks are based on nationality, used to gauge size of your wallet
- how long you stay dubai - can I quote you the tourist price, or do I have to use the resident one
- where you stay - also used to gauge size of wallet, potential problems/overhead of going with you, and to figure in charges for travel time
- what's your name - well, have to call you something, Habeebee
Prime example: a home-cooked meal is a very nice addition. Asking a minor leaguer to come over a bit early to make us dinner, vast majority responds "as long as you like fill-in-her nationality's cooking...". With a major leaguer, with some notible exceptions, will get you a "WTF" look... After all, Roberto Alomar is NOT showing up early game day, just to socialize with his fans (isn't he the one who spit in the umpire's face?)
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Which brings me to my final thoughts (finally).
Which bar is the best? Any one of the main ones you happen to be in. For me, in any of the main bars, I've been able to find someone that I'm eager to get home with. At least the anticipation is wonderful whether the reality lives up to the expectation or not.
If you're a resident, and don't go out that often per week, check out the various bars; 1 night, 1 bar, as there is an ebb and flow of ladies at each. Check it out on a weekday, on a weekend. Then, settle in at 1 basic bar. Doesn't say you can't visit others, but have a "home". Yes, the doorman will know you. The waitress, given a nod, will bring you your drink of choice, no words needing to be spoken. Big deal (NOT).
I don't go to the bars to drink; I can drink cheaper at home. I don't go to socialize; screaming into the next person's ear is not my idea of a conversation. I go to the bars to pull a lady. What is a big deal, the ladies will know you. You've pulled her, you've pulled her friend; if nothing else, she's seen you walk out of the bar, accompanied. Therefore, it does make (financial) sense to spend some time with you, marketing. She knows you as a player, not a lookie-lou. It does make a difference. Say "Cheers".
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:19 pm on June 12, 2005
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WORF1972
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Thanks again to the wonderful postings and getting the chance to meet a few kings of DBX. Because of time, distance and traveling back and forth from Sharjah, my mongering was limited.
But on my return (5th time I'll get it right) I have connections to apartments next time. Or maybe just head for the real play land--- Bangkok..... HMMMM think I will, Dubai is slowly becoming a mongering nightmare New York of 25 years ago. And that's not very appealing........
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:22 pm on June 12, 2005
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Bravo you are right. Card throwing is nothing but sucking more money into club. Funny part is these girls don't even touch these 50 Dharam cards and just give you one pitty smile. f*** that. But I have seen tons of Indian dudes throwing stack of these cards. Spoke to girl and according to her, she had to pull about 5000 worth of cards every month else she is out of job. Who Knows. Latest news she told me that she might go 1000 dharms if I speak to fat ass mean looking guy  .
Okay what's up with chinese all end up at the back of cyclon? is there any LOC between CIS and Chinese at cyclon?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:32 am on June 13, 2005
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Barcrawler
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Quote: from sandiegon on 10:44 am on June 13, 2005
Bravo you are right. Card throwing is nothing but sucking more money into club. Funny part is these girls don't even touch these 50 Dharam cards and just give you one pitty smile.
Sounds like stuffing bill into a lap dancers G-String, but adapted for a more "conservative society"
It takes all sorts thought. I read somewhere about a dominatrix in the UK offering "financial domination". Guys who never even meet her send money by paypal and get off on that. Dropping 50DHS to a dancer on the spur of the moment is mild in comparison
Quote from Groover on 7:21 pm on June 11, 2005
Don't know what was funnier - her balancing them on her bonce while belting out an Elton John number, or the accompanying five-time fanfare provided by the man with the keyboard (dah-dah-dah-dah-dah-dah-daaaaaaaahhhh!!)
Maybe he just had a sense of humour, or more likley no sense - A gent from from across the causeway I assume.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:06 am on June 13, 2005
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Sporadic
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Okay what's up with chinese all end up at the back of cyclon?
That really was not that way about four- five years ago. There used to be a good mix at the main bar, posing.
Interestingly enough, I even find layers of Chinese. With the real serious A-lists closest to the main bar and various layers of diminishing quality back towards the bar on the left.
I suppose they gather for moral/language support, birds of a feather sort of thing.
On a couple of occasions, I have spotted stunners (CIS) who were very engrossed in the little video slot machines (or whatever they are.) Not so much as a glance at my introduction, either she had a S.Daddy coming later or she had good taste
We probably should make a proper recon, come early and stay late and find out what happens to the various layers during the night. I fear it will be as tough to qualify as fluid dynamics.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:28 am on June 13, 2005
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Best I can remember, the chinese/CIS split was dictated by management within the past year. Don't know why; I never saw any "problems" due to poaching. Certainly before this dictate, chinese did tend to stand to the left (like Sporadic says, support and same language to pass the time), CIS along the large bar. It's just more formal now. Maybe it was to unclutter the center area between the center bar and the large bar where the tables are. Like a lot of things in dxb, that's just the way it is.
Chinese more likely to be into the video games (maybe just at the hours I visit). At least when she ignores you there, you can delude yourself that it's the game; it's when you don't exist in the "open" areas...
There certainly are layers for the chinese. The a+'s will stand center bar, in the back (near toilets). At first, thought this strange, but then, watching... makes sense. Too cluttered at the front of this bar, towards the entrance doors. In the back, room to "stand out". A-list line can also be at the back, between the ladies/mens toilets, with another line (as always) to the left (as you walk in) of this center bar, and around the, what I call, the chinese column (between center bar and left rear bar). And, there will be any number playing the video games along the front wall to the left of the entrance.
or so I've heard 
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:31 am on June 13, 2005
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Quote: from 11bravo on 12:31 am on June 13, 2005
*translation- where you come from - as paychecks are based on nationality, used to gauge size of your wallet
- how long you stay dubai - can I quote you the tourist price, or do I have to use the resident one
- where you stay - also used to gauge size of wallet, potential problems/overhead of going with you, and to figure in charges for travel time
- what's your name - well, have to call you something, Habeebee
I just want to know why exactly the same line of questioning is found in Thailand. Maybe they all use the same Financial Planner?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:03 am on June 13, 2005
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