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issanking
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I fail to see the point of this thread.
we all know that there are people who get involved with the wrong girl, wrong crowd etc;;;
basiclly if the guy knows the girl he is sponsoring is cheating, why do they need this to be proved spend even more money, and more than likley don't leave her and carry on,
If I was to use a PI for whatever reason i'd like to know my story would'nt be posted on the web, even in this form,
confidentiality, discretion must be key words in this line of work.
The thread is titled "would you believe it "
well yes we do, because we've been around,
my 2 cents
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:06 am on Nov. 27, 2005
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BigDUSA
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Quote: from issanking on 7:45 am on Nov. 28, 2005
I fail to see the point of this thread.
It's just a slice of life from the diary of a guy who sees it all. The foibles of guys living some sort of dream world where they are in control. More sad then funny. But funny never the less.
Without the diversity of posts we would end up discussing what hotel do we like better. I like Majestic Suites the best. 
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:38 am on Nov. 27, 2005
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CalEden
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I agree with Denny. I see nothing wrong with TPEII thread, no names have been mentioned. If names/places are mentioned I'm sure TPEII would change them to protect the innocent. True stories like this help other brothers to avoid the pitfalls of LOS. And no matter how many times these stories are repeated some brother will become victimized.
Besides they are quite entertaining and more real than Blattsucker, manowar, and Mel Gibson 4 page piss war in "Siem Reap flights" thread. A total thread f***!
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:01 am on Nov. 27, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from CalEden on 12:39 am on Nov. 28, 2005
True stories like this help other brothers to avoid the pitfalls of LOS. And no matter how many times these stories are repeated some brother will become victimized.
Sorry, but if you refer to guys who read these stories, and then walk into their own mistakes with their eyes wide open, only to later bemoan how they were 'taken' -- those guys aren't victims, they are idiots (and there's always another around here, trying to tell us how 'she's different'.).
On a more serious note - the majority of these 'victims' fall prey NOT to the girls, but rather to their own emotional imaturity, and clearly WANT to believe an illusion in their mind, thinking their western instilled delusions and beliefs apply. I think that can most likely apply to 99% of all these mistakes.
The most important advice TPE could probably give his customers is:
- She's not your girlfriend!
- None of your rules apply anymore.
Thankfully for TPE, everyone believes the above is wrong.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:00 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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dirty guru
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I disagree.
I know many guys, including myself, who have had without question rich emotional experiences, and relationships of the heart over time.
Not a slightest doubt that love developed.
I saw devastation on being caught butterflying forinstance, and sheer happiness at sharing a family life while it lasted.
Many men remain committed and happy.
Your comments are in the context of "'the game"' close to the edge of truth, but its not always a fall that awaits.
The repetition of Farangs for these girls evolves over time into a system.
Theres often in the beginning hope and illusion on their side (girls new to it all)
Towards the end of their profession desperation and willingness to take "anything "'. Note 30 year olds with 65 year old german alcoholics who most likely bugger them silly.
But over 20 years I can say 1% of my girls have swollen more than my dick, and I have fond memories.
They do after all have hearts.
To truely access it past the stages of just supply of money takes a combination of "'time, shared happiness, and heart felt jestures.
Remember they want it too.
Unfortunately, as Daffy alludes to, in fact almost correctly absolute. Most of it is a shared illusion.
95% at least is infact a money dependant relationship, that is fuelled by emotional need and lust on one side, and gain and advanced hopes and alittle affection on the other.
But he isnt absolute.
There are no absolutes.!
I have had several Thai woman fall in love with me.
And those that begin with the above equation can metamorphosis into love, with simple devotion and care.
The measure of time and grace, laws of nature, and kindness transcend at times cultural and financial circumstances as being paramount.
But the in general rule that it takes alot of luck, or experince to be able to navigate around what is the "game".
My advice would be spending time with a girl in shared ways tenderly. (after your learned in the ins and outs)
If your willing to send her home into the countryside once its established (the relationship as seemingly real)
And she accepts Twice the normal income of say a bank teller (just about 18,000 a month) then its worth a shot.
You can determine from that point its worth (as usually if she is playing you she would return under 25,000)
If she stays put and it deepens, the options after time allow the considerations"" you move there, or she comes to your country"
I dont advise the latter.
I divorced in Australia (it was my fault) It cost me half of everything.
I divorced in Thailand it cost me $10 and I gave her a few hundred (willingly)
I had another non married thai experience where she refused to keep a house, and is repaying her half to me.
Some are very real Daffy, some are very loving, and there is no greater learning curve than to discover sometimes you had the "'real thing"' and loose it all.
But those are the pitfalls of this lifestyle.
I realise I cant stop f***ing sweet tender 20 year olds.
Maybe when I am older and wiser.
But Daffys advice is ""almost"" absolutely correct.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 3:52 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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Isee
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Quote: from issanking on 7:45 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
If I was to use a PI for whatever reason i'd like to know my story would'nt be posted on the web, even in this form,
confidentiality, discretion must be key words in this line of work.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking along these lines.... I would have to say after reading TPEII post, I couldn't help to feel that he lost a certain amount of "professionalism".
Sure, good read for some....even a laugh for others, and then belittlement by a few....I'd hate to be one of the guys who is reading that and saying WTF - he's talking about me!!!
People make mistakes and silly judgements all the time....the last thing they want (when expecting confidentiality) is their "case" being published on the internet. Sure no "names" are involved....but that wouldn’t be the issue for the guys involved.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:05 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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ThaiPrivateEye II
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Quote: from Isee on 1:44 pm on Nov. 28, 2005
Quote: from issanking on 7:45 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
If I was to use a PI for whatever reason i'd like to know my story would'nt be posted on the web, even in this form,
confidentiality, discretion must be key words in this line of work.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking along these lines.... I would have to say after reading TPEII post, I couldn't help to feel that he lost a certain amount of "professionalism".
Sure, good read for some....even a laugh for others, and then belittlement by a few....I'd hate to be one of the guys who is reading that and saying WTF - he's talking about me!!!
People make mistakes and silly judgements all the time....the last thing they want (when expecting confidentiality) is their "case" being published on the internet. Sure no "names" are involved....but that wouldn’t be the issue for the guys involved.
Good point guys.
And I had given it some serious thought before I posted just a few of the literally hundreds of cases I have been involved in.
And, according to my files none of them were know as BTF members to me at the time they originally contacted TPE.
If the individuals involved are currently BTF members then they can PM me and I will ask BK to delete this thread immediately.
I just thought it would make for an interesting topic, maybe breath some life back into BTF.
I did not intend to humiliate anyone least of all my clients.
I did not and will not betray a confidence.
There is no way that these stories can be linked to anyone in particular.
Maybe just maybe (if they read this) it will be the wake up call they need and could save them from a world of financial and emotional pain in the future.
The truth really hurts!
Would it be more acceptable if I were to write a book like my good friend and the founder of TPE is has recently done?
I don’t really see the difference except that he will get paid for his efforts  and so he should, whereas I wont! 
TPEII
ps. Town Lodge.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:52 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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S M E G M A
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I think the thread is fine. Just telling some anecdotical stories without any real info.
Now TPE, number 7, the one about the horse doesn't sound that farfetched. But what sounds weird is the client wanting many horses tested. Wasn't it one horse he was concerned about?
Now that job would have done for a nice change for you. A distraction from your typical target. From one animal to another: from pussies to horses.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:11 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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Isee
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Quote: from ThaiPrivateEye II on 11:30 am on Nov. 28, 2005
Would it be more acceptable if I were to write a book like my good friend and the founder of TPE is has recently done?
Actually, there is a difference. Society (western), for one reason or another accepts the stories from a person who is retired from whatever it was they did - as opposed to one who is still doing it.
Double standards?? Maybe, but thats life....but I have heard the debate before and what I said above was the generally agreed outcome to said debate.
The other thing is the "forum" that you are publishing in... TPE is doing a book and from what I've read of it, is quite neutral in its telling without criticism. Yours not only invites such criticism and negative responses - but you add to it.
ps: now there are a few ways to interpret your "ps", one way would be quite droll and expected.....the other would be quite witty with some deeper thought then most around here could afford.....of course, I don't know which one it is 
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:45 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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Minder
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TPE is running a business.
Taking the time to write on this forum could be seen as part of this business. His posts are informative - I liked the one about checking her fingernails!
Its also called advertising - we now have a better idea of the services available. Maybe that was the intent - if so or if not - I don't care.
Members of this forum are hopefully unlikely to become customers - we are however likely to be people who may need to refer someone else - "Hey, you go to Thailand all the time. Let me tell you about this girl I met....etc"
Personal referrals - a better "strike rate" than stickers on the hand-dryer at the airport any day. (Good location though TPE - International departures)
TPE II - A good read. Keep them coming. Enjoy.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:37 pm on Nov. 27, 2005
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