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China Sailor
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 1:13 pm on Sep. 1, 2007
I'll agree with Mr.Alan and second that notion.
Maybe it's the stress of his job that is getting to him, and he feels persecuted by all and everyone...
Not paranoid, just asking the question that my clients in the UK and the EU are asking me. This is one of the reasons that they do not respect the Americans (along with friendly fire incidents but that is another story).
And are these cheap knock-offs a legitimate concern for the authorized agents in Asia? You damn betcha. If you want to bring SGGirl to a boiling rage just try to explain why Farangs are buying knock-offs instead of products from authorized distributors like hers (I made that mistake a few years ago and I am lucky to have survived).
Mr Alan,
You are splitting hairs now. Whether the Chanel Bag, the Gucci shoes or Rolex watch is crappy it is still impinging on the market of the Trademark holders.
So you think it is justified to bring in a crappy imitation so you can impress your friends? Well then you are not only impinging on a trademark you are lying to your friends.
BTW: Mr Alan, given your reactions on this issue I wonder how many cheap knock-offs do you own, or did you send them as 'gifts' to family and friends...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:52 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from jack attack on 5:46 am on Sep. 3, 2007
Pirated copies, bootleg copies, counterfeit copies are all illegal and unauthorized copies.
I clearly stated in my first post on this thread that all pirated or copied software is illegal, and the "single import rule" does not apply:
"The above [single import rule] does not apply to DVD's and software, which are not technically trademark infringements. Instead they are illegal copies of the original copyrighted material and are always illegal no matter how you bring them back or how many you bring back."
Please read the posts more carefully.
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Posted on: 8:07 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 8:46 am on Sep. 3, 2007
Not paranoid, just asking the question that my clients in the UK and the EU are asking me. This is one of the reasons that they do not respect the Americans (along with friendly fire incidents but that is another story).
The problem with your (paranoid) theory is that it is not even true. I have already provided evidence that Switzerland (who is heavily damaged by fake watches) has the same rule as the US regarding people allowed to import a single counterfeit item (of each kind) into their country so long as it accompanies them through customs.
Do your customers not respect the Swiss also? My suspicion is that the US and Switzerland are not alone in allowing people to bring back a single counterfeit item with them when they come back home.
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Posted on: 8:14 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 8:46 am on Sep. 3, 2007
Mr Alan,
You are splitting hairs now. Whether the Chanel Bag, the Gucci shoes or Rolex watch is crappy it is still impinging on the market of the Trademark holders.
So you think it is justified to bring in a crappy imitation so you can impress your friends? Well then you are not only impinging on a trademark you are lying to your friends.
So what is it boys? Live for ethics or live the lie?
BTW: Mr Alan, given your reactions on this issue I wonder how many cheap knock-offs do you own, or did you send them as 'gifts' to family and friends...
I have never purchased a fake watch, fake handbag, or silimilar fake item, for myself or for anyone else.
Over the years I may have purchased a few items of clothing in Bangkok that are fake, but generally I try to avoid buying any clothing with a designer or manufacturer label on it that is visable while wearing the item of clothing (even in the US when I may buy a legitimate item). This includes well-known designers and wanna-be designers. In some cases I have actually removed a desinger label that is visable on the clothing.
My policy is that I don't like to give out free advertising to the designers, but sometimes it is difficult to find something sutiable without one. I certainly do not care about the "so-called prestige" of wearing a designer label in the few cases when I have happened to purchase one that is visable (legitmate ones that are on sale in the US).
I will admit to buying some lap dances from females with fake boobs, but no trademark infringement was involved.
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Posted on: 8:29 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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China Sailor
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Then Mr Alan,
Why are you so intent on supporting the 'Knock-off Nigel' policies of the United States?
Is it jingoistic pride? Is it the smug self-assurance that you are smarter than all of us? What motivates you to spend so much time defending a clearly unethical policy.
Hell, even your statements about Switzerland are mis-representative. Whilst there is no clear policy on pirated materials being brought in for personal use the government does find it to be serious enough to have an office to fight piracy and trademark violations (they even mention your knock-off Rolexs) :
http://www.stop-piracy.ch/en/candp/cap60.shtm
Yes Mr. Alan. Even your vaunted resources are not entirely correct. But let's face it, anything can be taken out of context to support a personal argument.
So why don't we say it together (ready?) :
I was wrong and the purchase of pirated products for individual use or resale is wrong.
That is right Mr. Alan, you were wrong...
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Posted on: 9:24 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from China Sailor on 10:18 am on Sep. 3, 2007
Then Mr Alan,
Why are you so intent on supporting the 'Knock-off Nigel' policies of the United States?
Is it jingoistic pride? Is it the smug self-assurance that you are smarter than all of us? What motivates you to spend so much time defending a clearly unethical policy.
Hell, even your statements about Switzerland are mis-representative. Whilst there is no clear policy on pirated materials being brought in for personal use the government does find it to be serious enough to have an office to fight piracy and trademark violations (they even mention your knock-off Rolexs) :
http://www.stop-piracy.ch/en/candp/cap60.shtm
Yes Mr. Alan. Even your vaunted resources are not entirely correct. But let's face it, anything can be taken out of context to support a personal argument.
So why don't we say it together (ready?) :
I was wrong and the purchase of pirated products for individual use or resale is wrong.
That is right Mr. Alan, you were wrong...
The United States government aggressively pursues and spends more money fighting counterfeiting of trademarked items than the vast majority of countries, including those of the EU. This is clearly demonstrated by the initial posts in this thread complaining about the inability to ship counterfeit goods back to the US.
The US (like Switzerland and probably most other countries) does allow people to import one counterfeit item if it accompanies them through customs. That is the clear policy in Switzerland (despite what you claim) and the US, and probably most other nations.
I am not defending any policy other than explaining the law, just like I did on this exact subject in this forum several years ago. I also theorized that one of the reasons for the US and Switzerland (and others) for allowing a single counterfeit item to be imported is that it is impractical to examine all the clothes and personal items that a person entering the country is wearing, and very difficult in some cases to know whether the item is real or not. It is much easier to see that if a person is importing multiple watches that the watches are likely fake and are probably being imported for resale.
You are wrong in claiming that US has more lax laws than other countries with regard to trademark infringement.
You are wrong in claiming that the US does not enforce trademark infringement laws (the US enforces it as vigorously as ANY other nation on earth as evidenced by the initial posts in this thread). Any casual search of google will confirm that, but here are a few links:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-01-11-counterfeit-seizures_x.htm
http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/070111washingtondc.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/ei/Archive/2005/Jun/21-241562.html
http://trade-info.cec.eu.int/doclib/docs/2005/june/tradoc_123867.pdf
http://www.ladas.com/BULLETINS/1996/0896Bulletin/US1.0896.html
http://www.stopfakes.gov/pdf/6-26-07_DHS_Press_Release.pdf
etc, etc, etc
You are wrong in claiming that I have purchased counterfeit goods such as fake watches or fake handbags or other similar items. You are wrong in claiming that I endorse the practice of buying any fake items that violate trademark laws. Everything in your paranoid posts above about me and about the USA on this subject is wrong. Please take your gross misrepresentations and your hatred elsewhere.
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Posted on: 10:30 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 10:23 pm on Sep. 3, 2007
I have happened to purchase one that is visable
The proper word you should use is 'visible'.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/visible
The term you use repeatedly (hence, it is not just a typo), does not actually exist as a word.
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Posted on: 11:00 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 12:24 am on Sep. 4, 2007
I also theorized that one of the reasons for the US and Switzerland (and others) for allowing a single counterfeit item to be imported is that it is impractical to examine all the clothes and personal items that a person entering the country is wearing, and very difficult in some cases to know whether the item is real or not.
Diminishing returns -- an individual bringing in an item for personal use (hence, the one item per peson rule) does not cause the kind of damage that someone bringing in several suitcases full, with the intent of selling them does. That's the reasoning, at least how it was explained to me by a customs officer, and I happen to agree.
Their resources are better spend stopping containers filled with counterfeit watches (and yes, entire containers nearly filled with such counterfeits frequently get stopped and seized -- frequently from China - no surprise), as these really do pose a sizable and damaging threat. Individuals, bringing in a single watch (even if it were everyone on the planel) do not pose that threat.
Essentially, as it was explained to me - "if you wear it, it's yours".
A similar policy, by the way, also holds true for EU countries.
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Posted on: 11:09 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from China Sailor on 11:18 pm on Sep. 3, 2007
That is right Mr. Alan, you were wrong...
You know, CI, for someone who so desperately wants to be right, it is amazing how often you end up being just plain wrong (see Mr Alan's list of how much, above).
Furthermore, the link you provided:
http://www.stop-piracy.ch/en/candp/cap60.shtm
Has nothing to do with the initial argument regarding being allowed to bring a single item to the country (Switzerland, in this case). It's not just enough to post links, they actually have to support what you say.
Mr Alan is quite correct in his explanations. You, on the other hand, really need to get your facts straight, it seems.
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Posted on: 11:18 am on Sep. 3, 2007
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DerekBahama
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 1:03 am on Sep. 4, 2007
planeful
DaffyDick - As you seem to be quite the linguist, it pains me to correct you. However, the proper word (s) you should use are 'plane full of...' or even more suitably a 'plane load'.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/planeful
The term you use does not actually exist as a word.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:47 pm on Sep. 3, 2007
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