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seajohn
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Quote: from Finchy on 3:46 pm on June 28, 2006
they must be happy to do it or they would not agree
Finchy, you're right of course in that Nigel is just being hired. And also I think that obviously there is someone sheltering the operation for it too go on so long.
However, although I haven't seen a lot of his films, in what I have seen the girls do not seem happy to do it, although yes they agree to do it. It's just the evident boredom and distaste which the girls have for him and the hairy man that is so disturbing. No, they are obviously not being forced to do it. But it isn't fun either. It is lame. This deadness and evident hostility makes us question, "What is this sick shit? Are we supposed to enjoy it?" We can't... We're not that dead or hostile. And if I, for one, have ever had an encounter involving such feelings, I do my best to avoid it as something shameful--not parade it as a spectacle for others to sexually gratify themselves with while manipulating their penises by imagining themselves in those situations.
It's inconceiveable to me. His fans must be a) ignorant of p4p in SEAsia, and can only rely on the dehumanizing examples of prostitution in the West, or b) they are lacking the minimum level of self-worth and social skills.
And as for the drunken punters whom they might normally meet... That may be so. I believe very few are writing "Anal Slut" on their buttocks though or composing odes about them which depict them as a slavering dog. Maybe that's not too bad either case by case... But if it altogether encourages attitudes like AP's who thinks it's supercool and artistic to say he'd rather beat up a girl than get a blowjob... Well, maybe there's more of a sadistic influence going on than you reckon.
Anyway, certainly there's worse in this world--this ain't a snuff film afterall. But it was asked earlier if this celebration of humiliation wasn't a milimeter too far in that ugly direction.
Perhaps I am simply being too sensitive...
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:52 am on June 28, 2006
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JackRabbit
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JackRabbit present...
seajohn, that was a good comment !
The girls are in bars / gogos / other places for p4p but these guys talked them into different playground, obviously promised a pay big enough to attract the girls.
I do not know who gets it up with that kind of stuff and how those "hired dicks" are willing to do it. That is simply not a way to treat the girls.
Too bad the guy sticking N earlier was an amateur.
And what comes to AP, I'd say he is just provoking the guys in here.
JR
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 5:40 am on June 28, 2006
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Mel Gibson
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Say what you will about the ladies being "well paid to do it",,,, so its ok if the dealer is well paid to sell drugs to your children? Or worse someone well paid to murder.
I won't get into a moral compaign, my feelings are out in the open and also what I intend to do about what I see as way, way beyond acceptable.
True Nigel and his supporters may well be "connected" but if push comes to shove I doubt their connections are comparable to mine ( or more accurately my families) and I doubt their connections will have the same enthusiasm, dedication and one mindedness that will be shown by those who investigate and prosecute this case.
To each their own is a wonderful thing UP TO A POINT!!!
and this is way beyond that point.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:43 am on June 28, 2006
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ThaidUp
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Nigel is not exactly getting the cream of the crop in girls here. Many are already all tattoo'd up, one even has a tattoo "Andy's f*** Toy" above her pussy.
Let's see Anal, COF, CIM, GS, outfits, Sounds like some of the menu at Eden Club. Shit I do not even see any good ass whipping in there.
These girls know what they are getting into and are not being forced into anything. They all seem of age, in fact past their prime. I have not seen any of the movies, but it would be interesting if he would ask them if they would come back and do it again and I am sure most would.
All you do gooder's want to save these girls from evil men like this maybe you can send them to church where they can get properly f***ed up.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/27/griffin.priestabuse/index.html
Based upon all the evidence and cover-ups I have the view that anyone that supports the Catholic Church is one who supports pedophila and child molesters because that is where a good portion of the church's money is going.
So if you want to beat up someone, start with Oliver O'Grady who has the balls to say he hopes people can forgive him and shake his hand. Yeah after he f***ed their five year daughter.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 5:51 am on June 28, 2006
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JackRabbit
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JackRabbit present...
Sorry Mel, I should have written more clear.
First, I do NOT mean "being paid for it " justifies it.
The girls are pushed to do shitty things in there.
"The girls are in bars / gogos / other places for p4p but these guys talked them into different playground, obviously promised a pay big enough to attract the girls. "
And when they notice what shit they are put into they can not turn back without losing the pay, besides there is a risk of being roughed for trying.
Making those sets is a mental rape and forcing to unwanted sexual acts ; that's my point.
JR
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:53 am on June 28, 2006
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AmoresPerros
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Dunno... a bit surprised here.. if I don't download any of Nigel's vids it's certainly not because what's going on there seems schocking... but coz it all stinks thai low end western oriented prostitution... think Pattaya or Lower Suk... I can't believe the motivation between some guys' hate in this thread. Nigel and his men do nothing real tough compared to a lot of better financed porn. I suspect it breaks some guys bubbles who are looking for a relationships with the same hardcore hookers he's doing in the movies and it gives them an uncomfortable glimpse of reality. That's the way those girls make money. Rather than trying to lynch strangers, some may be better off sorting their emotionnal life.
AP, love is out there... kindasorta
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:01 am on June 28, 2006
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ThaidUp
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I agree with AP's last post. I mean none of these girls are the type you want to take home and meet the family. 
And I would like someone to answer what is the difference between what Nigel is doing than what is happening everyday at Eden Club. Nothing execept it is being filmed.
I would not subscribe to Nigel's site purely because he is a f***ing amatuer. Piss poor production (Pun intended).
You want a better site with better looking girls and men who know what they are doing and somebody that knows how to work a camera.
http://www.hogtied.com
And the best part are the exit interviews when most girls (of which many are first timers) want repeat performances and want to bring this style of sex to their personnal bedrooms for some excitement. They seem to have trouble finding willing partners to experiment with. I guess the many hopeless romantics.
The reason Nigel has gotten away with this is that no respectable Thai would be caught dead trying to defend the actions of these girls. They are of their own free will, of proper age and obvisiously know that they are being filmed. Hey this is starting to sound like "Freedom"
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:13 am on June 28, 2006
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seajohn
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ThaidUp, sure those girls can smile for the camera still shots, like all Thai girls. But you see one of his films. Then you go to Eden. The two experiences couldn't be more different!--in mood of the girls, the punters' mood, the skills, the commitment to pleasure, anything. There is such obvious boredom and animosity in the Nigel-film girls' behavior. You simply cannot compare the two, no matter if objectively some activities seem the same. We are not machines.
That was my whole point... It's an extremely ugly spectacle. In my opinion it's degrading to everyone involved.
Maybe the girls have been around the block many times. They're getting paid, sure. But with the girls' attitude and the film's emphasis on their humiliation (which must exascerbate their attitude) --despite the fact of who's paying who, I just can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to see that, and apparently view it with any kind of pleasure. Much less be the male actor in it. He, at least, could get some other kind of a job.
Maybe the girls would do it again and again for the money. Are those the girls you want to get off on? And as for the filmmakers, anyone of us could offer money to people to get them to do disgusting things--try it, if you like: maybe a typical librarian would eat her boogers or shit on your stomach for 5000 baht cash right in her hand during a hardup month, God knows. But the point is, you probably wouldn't try to convince anyone to do it, and you probably wouldn't get off on watching someone else do it. Or would you? I admit I don't know you.
Japanese sado-porn is also a big turn off for me. So maybe I'm just out of step with all the great changes in the industry. Well, I'll keep to my own drummer then.
That's my opinion folks. I'm not much of a do-gooder, a white knight, nor do I want to beat people up. But that scene, it's not my power trip. Now have some chocolate ice cream and read some Mad Magazine. Enjoy life while it lasts. Enjoy other people while they last.
PS thanks for the comment JackRabbit.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:28 am on June 28, 2006
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ThaidUp
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Personnally I just do not get this shit fetish. I would find it both disgusting and smelly, but I guess there are some people that get off on it. One even a BTF member, but what I am trying to write about is personal freedom. If a guy wants to pay a properly aged girl to take a dump on him then go right ahead.
While I think it is wrong to sell drugs to children, I see know problems with people going to a dance club and taking E, as long as they are not driving or commit any violet act against any other human being.
I am a full supporter of Eden Club.
Some people just happen to reap their own rewards in life.
Some to Nigel "What do you do for a living?"
Nigel "Well I get shit faced drunk until I puke then I pay TG's to take a dump on me while it is being filmed"
The jobs people will take to stay in Thailand, Geez I thought teaching English was bad enough.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:19 am on June 28, 2006
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NINGNING
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The point I was initially trying to make is to draw attention to the escalating evolution of events, not whether the latest series of pixies is extraordinary distasteful or whether Nigel is a moronic git and finally to blame for his deeds.
When following the link in the very first post of this thread, then the speciality in this photo series is that there are 4 girls with him.
Later there is apparently pissing and shitting going around (?), followed by smearing insults on the girls etc.
Now its humiliation, like shaving the head of a handcuffed girl or licking cum from a toilet.
So what's next?
Whereas the first pictures where simply disgusting, the later ones are dangerous and the step to cross the limit gets smaller and smaller. JMHO.
It's not okay to do everything which is within your financial power. The point that I will never introduce such a girl to my parents doesn't mean they are fair game for any kind of humiliation. And the point that there are more guys doing similar things out there does not mean that its acceptable behaviour.
Until now I have never made it to Eden, so all I know about EC is from what I read in the Eden thread. But I doubt that any Eden girl will allow you to shave her head or will lick cum out of a toilet. Maybe Edenpapa want to comment.
Yes he is a hired dick, and most likely he is not the only one out there and I dont say hang him.
I am not a human rights lawyer but I consider appropriateness and adequacy to be important when interacting with the girls.
As for me I am just concerned about the evolution of content and action in his photo series.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:42 pm on June 28, 2006
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