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jaypoet
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I'm not sure what compels me to write this but I think it's an interesting story. Back when I was just out of college, I once shared an apartment for about six months with a guy who was without peer (at least in my experience) in his ability to shag women. His name was Miles, a black guy, and he was from Philadelphia. Miles was living in Los Angeles trying to make it as an actor. I got to know him because we played together off and on in a band and aside from being a great pickup artist, Miles was a fabulous musician (keyboard, vocals, bass). Miles was extremely charismatic (without being overbearing), fairly good looking, very articulate and very quick witted. He grew up in the projects in Phili and was also extremely adept with his fists if he needed to be. One friend used to joke that Miles could talk a bird out of a tree and onto his finger. He was also a very nice guy and very likeable, he reminded me somewhat of the character Eddie Murphy played in the movie Beverly Hills Cop. In the 6 months I shared an apartment with him, I would estimate that he brought home 30 - 40 different women that spent the night with him and that was just a percentage of girls he nailed during this time. Most were white girls but he loved Asian women and quite a few were black and Hispanic. Most of the women ranged from good looking to stunners.
What amazed me most wasn't so much the volume and quality of women, but how he did it, he was an absolute machine. Myself, being slightly better than average at this sort of thing (3 - 4 girls a month was a great month), was in complete awe of him and I asked him a lot of questions and watched him carefully only to come to the conclusion I could never duplicate what he did. Naturally, I tried to go out with him as much as possible and get his leftovers, which I often did.
We would go into a crowded club (we lived in Newport Beach, California which at that time was a great place to be single in L.A.) and he would stroll around and survey the scene. He was extremely intuitive in figuring out which women were available to be picked up. But the amazing part was how he could just walk right up to a group of girls, start a conversation, break them down (as he called it) and by the end of the night be having sex with his girl of choice. He wasn't always successful with every woman he approached but I almost never saw him strike out on a given night. He said you had to get past that initial barrier, establish rapport and gain the trust of the girl. He was extremely good at that. Even when women initially flat-out rejected him he would keep going and on several occasions I saw him go from receiving a "Get lost" reaction to bringing that same girl/woman home later that evening.
He always said you wanted to try and get the girls or girl to go with you to another location/club if possible and then back home. He said try to keep the conversation going and ask them a lot of questions about themselves. He was very knowledgeable about women's fashion and jewelry and would often use his knowledge as a basis of conversation with a girl he just met usually commenting on her clothing. While talking to a girl, he would always lightly touch her arm or shoulder and claimed that this and never losing eye contact were key. At some point, usually within the first five minutes, he would slip in a compliment along the lines of telling her that she was absolutely beautiful which they seemed to love. He would then say in the next five minutes he could tell if he was going to score or not, if he didn't feel like success was imminent, he would simply get a telephone number and move on.
I once told him I was usually too shy to do what he did and he told me approach five women that night, and when you get shot down, don't even flinch and then move on to the next. He said that eventually you would become immune to rejection which he clearly was. Once he had them back at his (or our) apartment, he would move in for the kill immediately. We had a very good bar set up and was expert at making drinks women liked (he was also a bartender) and making them strong, he had numerous jazz records that he swore made women horny and from his success rate he may have been right.
One night he brought home a very good looking blonde (8.5 - 9) about 20 years old, and I was asleep in my room. He entered into my room and said "crack open the door and watch what I do, you'll like this" and walked out. What happened next was very interesting. She thought they were alone (they were on our couch which I could see from my room) and I could tell she was fairly nervous and reluctant about being alone with him. I doubted that if I were in the same position, I could have closed the deal. She wasn't a dumb blonde and struck me as fairly bright, well spoken and assertive. What was interesting was the absolute confidence he exuded. He started talking about growing up poor in the projects and pulled out his family picture album and soon had the girl laughing in stitches as he told stories and jokes about being poor which loosened her up. Then at some point in the coversation he slipped in the word "blowjob" into a sentence, totally out of context (he claimed this was something of a subliminal message and worked, which I thought was silly) and kept on talking, going on about something and she didn't bat an eye. What he did next was very interesting. There was a pregnant pause in the conversation which seemed very intentional on his part and he just stared at her which seemed to make her feel uncomfortable. Right as she began to fidget, he put his hand on her knee, got off the couch and kneeled in front of her (his back to me), reached up and lifted her head up by putting his fingers beneath her chin and started stroking her hair. She sort of recoiled back, looked extremely nervous (I recall her eyes being wide open with a very surprised look on her face) and then he reached out and he started squeezing her tits. She was more or less stunned by this (I think more the way he did it) and she asked what he was doing and I couldn't hear his response but he aggressively stuck his hand up her miniskirt. She sort of grabbed his hand I thought to push it away but he was persistent and started telling her how hot she was. After a few moments she started moaning, stopped any resistance and he more or less jumped on her. She was then putty in his hands and as he was aggressivly undressing her she stated a few times how she "normally doesn't do this" and "she's only been with a few guys" and in a moment he grabs her head by the hair and has her sucking him off on the couch (which he looked up at me and smiled giving me a thumbs up) and then proceeded to nail her in about every position possible, like a porn star. I was amazed at how forceful and demanding he was, but he told me that he found most women loved it. I have to say it was a commanding performance.
I also think the way he managed large numbers of women in his life was interesting. He told me he had a "no bullshit" rule and immediately dumped any woman that gave him a hard time. For the most part, he treated women like crap after he nailed them but for many it didn't matter or made them like him more. He always said never be too nice to women and always let them know they were in competition with other women. He also said everyone should take an acting lesson and that it helped him pick up women.
At all times our message machine was full of messages for him from women and he rarely called them back. Sometimes he would say, "Oh, this one's a bother, why don't you call her back and tell her your my roommate and f*** her for me." I actually got quite a few women that way (his leftovers or rejects).
Some of his pick-up schemes were very clever. For example, he often carried cheap jewelry in his pocket and would put it in his hand and ask a girl who was walking down the street or standing around a club or bar if she dropped it (once a girl said she had and then he demanded she describe in detail, which she couldn't do, he wound up with her friend that night!). He would also walk up to a girl and just start calling her "Sally" or whatever until she would say she didn't know him and tha wasn't her name, he would swear they knew eachother, and he would work from there.
He dressed extremely well and had clothes that he only wore for picking up women that were always neatly pressed. He said shoes were critical. Yet he bought a lot of clothes from second hand clothing stores. He did have some strange habits like a fondness for fat women which I never understood. Anyway, he was an amazing guy.
I lost touch with him and last I heard was that he became a very successful salesman back in Pennsylvania.
Anyway, if you suffered through my long story (sorry) and have any similar stories about expert scammers, please share them.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:07 pm on Dec. 3, 2005
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LastSurvivor
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I have a friend who is a state trooper in Georgia. He drives me crazy because we will go out at some of the local bars around town and women will just walk up to him and ask if they can go home with him. There are no pick up lines, no buying drinks, no bullshit conversation...just as simple as that. He of course is in excellent shape and looks freakishly like John Travolta. Even sounds like him. I've told him he should give up his career in law enforcement and get a job as a stunt double. Certainly a LOT more money and benefits with that job.
LS
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 4:17 pm on Dec. 3, 2005
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jaypoet
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I wouldn't have thought Travolta was still in style. In any event, I always very much envied guys who had more pussy than they knew what to do with. I always had to work at it.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:50 pm on Dec. 3, 2005
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Baquawn
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A good read. There are some good points you make.
The main one is about treating them TOO good. Treating them TOO good might work if you want to just have one girl, but if you want a lot, you can't treat them too good. Women are just like us, and want a challenge. Women are the most insecure beings on the planet, and when you use their insecurity against them as your weapon, you will have them calling you, and running after you constantly. Most of them just can not fathom the fact that you are not chasing them hard enough.
That is normally why you will have plenty of girls bothering you who you don't like, and the ones that you do want...you can't have.
I have a couple of friends with silver tongues that could sweet talk any lady, in any situation. I think that is a natural gift, but maybe you are right about the acting lessons, because you could never really actually believe all the BS you are putting out, in order to be successful.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 10:11 pm on Dec. 3, 2005
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jaypoet
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One last story about Miles. He used to give piano lessons to various people (he was classically trained and extremely good) for extra money. He then told me about one of his piano students (female) who was a senior in high school, 17 years old and he said the "creme de la creme". He said he had a moral dilemma of whether he should sleep with her since she was under 18, was his piano student and the daughter of some woman he had worked with. I think I laughed and said something about moral matters never stopping him before. I asked if she was coming-on to him and he said something like, "No, but something's telling me her boyfriend is putting her feet to sleep."
A few weeks later there is a knock at our door and I opened it and a drop dead gorgeous Filipina girl with a beautiful smile and innocent face (big dimples) was standing there, an easy "9" - could have probably been in Playboy, in my opinion. She was dressed in tight 501 jeans and in an incredibly tight V neck sweater and she had to have 36Ds or close to it, I recall her nipples poking through her bra and sweater as I couldn't keep my eyes off of them. Her body appeared perfect to me. She asked for Miles and he said "Oh yeah" and went and got several bottles of champaign he had bought for her and her friends for their senior prom and she was off. I remember asking him with great interest who she was and he said "my moral dilemma" and said her name which was something like "Dennesy" or "Dennessee", it sounded like "Tennessee". I then remembered him previously talking about his 17 year old piano student (she looked a little younger except for her body) and he confirmed that it was her and my interest suddenly perked up. He said something like "yeah, I think I've decided not to f*** her, wouldn't be right." I remember thinking he was being a bit cocky even for him being so presumptuous and that I seriously doubted that even he could pull it off. He started saying he was "sure" he could nail her and I laughed it off.
A few weeks later he walked into our apartment and he threw some black panties on the coffee table and asked if I wanted to guess who they belonged to. I said I had no idea and he said "remember that 17 year old moral dilemma? Man was that good pussy." I told him I didn't believe him and he was full of it. He responded something like "don't believe me then." For the next several days he would say things like, "you still don't believe me?" or "man it was good shit, I think I'm gonna get some more, what do you think?" and I would just laugh it off.
About 7 - 10 days later I am home in the early afternoon unexpectedly and I hear him screwing some girl in his bedroom, some girl moaning, the bed banging against the wall, etc. which was not an unusual occurence with him, but usually at night. I went into my room, made some phone calls and turned on some music to drown them out. I walked out about 30 minutes later and the same beautiful Filipina girl that had picked up the champagne was sitting on my couch in Miles' bathrobe while he was making some food. I was absolutely astounded (and deeply envious!). At that point, he was officially legend material in my mind.
I later asked him how he pulled it off (after he made me apologize and promise never to doubt his "prowess") and he said after meeting her boyfriend, he was sure he was a pussy and wasn't giving it to her since he was away at college. He said he gave her piano lessons at her house, which her parents always made sure they were home watching him carefully, but he had to give her a make-up lesson one day. He went over to her house during the day on a work day (this was summer) when her parents weren't there, and asked her after their piano lesson if she wanted to get high which she said she had never done, and they smoked out in her room sitting on her bed, and then he said he stuck his hand up her skirt he said the rest was easy. He said she begged him not to tell anyone and then she started calling him up wanting to get together again. He said he particularly liked breaking her in since she was pretty inexperienced but was disappointed he couldn't talk her into anal sex. He said she was particularly good to titty f*** which I thought was an interesting comment and I didn't doubt it.
It didn't end well though and in a few weeks they had some big dispute and he stopped seeing her. I would have been crushed had I lost a squeeze like that but he could have cared less. He used to say that after you screw a woman, the mystery is gone. Within a day or two he was onto someone else.
A few things I remember about him. He was very forward with women all the time. If we were in a grocery store for example and he saw a pretty girl or woman, he would walk by turn his head to make sure she saw and heard him and say something like "damn!" If she gave him any encouragement he would try talking to her. If he saw a pretty girl in a car he would give chase and try to flag her down. He often stopped at bus stops asking a girl or woman if she needed a ride. If the girl was black, he was then extremely forward. He could speak perfectly proper English but when talking to a black girl would morph into a ghetto rap and say something like "Yo baby, what's yo' man doin leaving you by yuself, what's he thinkin', you fine, mmmmm, mmmmm..." They loved it. One of his favorite phrases when referring to women was the "4Fs" - "Find them, Fool them, f*** them, Forget them."
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:37 pm on Dec. 5, 2005
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Sporadic
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you forgot the "CM" after the four "F´s."
CHILD MOLESTER
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:27 am on Dec. 12, 2005
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mysteryman
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He did have some strange habits like a fondness for fat women which I never understood.
whats to understand. brothers love the boot! 
your friend sounds like a cool guy..
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:22 am on Dec. 13, 2005
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ItaliaThug
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Quote: from jaypoet on 4:46 am on Dec. 4, 2005
I'm not sure what compels me to write this but I think it's an interesting story. Back when I was just out of college, I once shared an apartment for about six months with a guy who was without peer (at least in my experience) in his ability to shag women. His name was Miles, a
Anyway, if you suffered through my long story (sorry) and have any similar stories about expert scammers, please share them.
I think you should marry Miles. You two would be happy together. I suffered through half, apology accepted.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:03 pm on Dec. 13, 2005
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Ballsburstin
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I hate to sound like the Olde c***e here, but one of the reasons I P4P in LOS is that I find the whole "seduction scene" in the US boring and a huge waste of time and energy. I'm glad there are folks like Miles who were/are good at it and enjoy it, and thank jaypoet for his FR on this interesting chap. But me, I checked out of that scene several lifetimes ago.
Me, I'd rather throw a few baht at a stunner in an MP, where I can more or less guarantee the outcome, then spend the rest of my evening to my own devices. I guess in the end, it's more about not wanting to waste lots of time and money on uncertain outcomes, when I could be using my time more effectively (e.g., planning my next P4P venue) lol!
The Olde c***e,
Balls
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:15 pm on Dec. 13, 2005
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FIB
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How come this story sounds as if it is straight out of "fast seduction 101"?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:05 pm on Dec. 13, 2005
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