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LocalYokul
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Quote: from MarkC on 11:14 pm on Oct. 22, 2004
God help us when they discover DVD10 and DVD18!
they have at least discovered DVD10, and it's nothing more than a DVD that's playable on both sides, of course it's DVD 5 x 2
I've got two that work fine, and one (First Blood + Rambo) that I returned for "Rose Red" DVD9 and it IS a DVD9 with about 5 languages to choose from - both audio & subtitles - not to mention the film is over 3 hours long
We discussed about DVDs extensively over here
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:45 pm on Oct. 22, 2004
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sorapong
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Quote: from MarkC on 11:14 pm on Oct. 22
All the American's fault, of course.
Ciao,
it seems clear from the churl's qoute above that he wasn't refering to the fault of an entire country, but merely to some singular "American's fault."
after all, that's what he wrote, and surely it's unreasonable to think that this bold thinker's agile mind wouldn't extend to the simple ability to spell the plural of the above form, isn't it?
now, if only he'd specify which American he was refering to...
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Posted on: 8:56 pm on Oct. 22, 2004
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DrLove
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Don't blame Ciao Ciao for not understanding.... he's in a llittle thick in the head and has problems with reading.
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As has already been explained DVD5 vs DVD9 is nothing to do with quality, it's a capacity thing. Oh and I've bought several 'DVD9' disks (with stickers) for the old prices recently and they're still DVD5.
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How do you know they are DVD5s and not DVD9s? Can you see it with the naked eye?
True, DVD5 can come with DTS and extra features. I once bought a 4 hour dvd before even a DVD9 was introduced. But most of the DVD5s have features cut off.
And to say that it's just a matter of capacity and not about (sound) quality..... Isn't that why a DVD (with a standard capacity) has better quality (in sound AND picture) than a VCD.
You can easily compress a whole DVD to 700 MB, but the quality is not the same. Capacity is related to quality.. but hasn't have to be like that.
It's marketing (just like putting more features) so you can bring it as a two disc set and bump up the price.
As I said in an earlier post, I rented 'The Texas Chain Massacre'. It said 'DVD9', but no extras and only 90 minutes long.
But not all DVD9s are DVD5s.....
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Posted on: 11:20 pm on Oct. 22, 2004
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LocalYokul
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ROTFLMAO
nothing personal CC, but some folks just are a hair trigger to lash out at what they might consider ant-America sentiment
I do NOT discuss politics in the pubs, unless it's with the best of friends & no chance of an eavesdropper jumping into the conversation
I was pretty ticked off at ole G.W. myself when he completely f***ed the Usd/Eur rates years ago
I coulda retired early if it weren't for that prick 
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Posted on: 11:38 pm on Oct. 22, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from DrLove on 11:35 am on Oct. 23, 2004
How do you know they are DVD5s and not DVD9s? Can you see it with the naked eye?
Actually, Doc, you can.
Real DVD9s have the glue bubbles from the sandwiching of the two DVD platters in the center. Quit obvious, once you know what you are looking for.
Simply DVD5s have a virginal center.
Furthermore, I have bought DVD9s that still had the exact same content as the DVD5 (bought both versions, Finding Nemo at the time). Both had the same menus, etc... Both were exactly 3.9 gigabytes of data content.
The major difference in most of the DV9s these days that I pick up is the presence of a DTS track, which by itself can take up nearly 1.5gb of space (and is usually not further compressable.
Now, with genuine commercial disks, you are correct about the significant differences between. I have gone to buying most of my disks from Fortune Town IT mall - good prices, more knowledgeable and nice vendors, and so far, the disks held out what they were claimed to be.
Harry
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Posted on: 1:11 am on Oct. 23, 2004
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MarkC
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Hey hey Doc Love...
The main quality difference between VCD and DVD is the difference between MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 (and high MPEG-2 compression encoding for SVCD). You can actually write a (short) decent-quality MPEG-2-encoded movie to CD-R...but not much (can't remember the numbers off-hand, but it's to the order of minutes vs. hours) because of the difference in capacity between the two formats.
And not all MPEG-2s (normal DVDs) are created equal--some studios pay far more attention to MPEG-2 encoding than others and employ different encoding companies (that use different encoding methods) for different territories. MPEG-2 is a decoding standard and the difference in quality between DVDs destined for different territories can be quite noticeable. I seem to remember Region 1 copies of Batman being much better than Region 2 copies...which is why most early demos of the technology used Region 1 copies.
I would have thought that anyone who can afford a decent home cinema setup in Thailand would probably opt for genuine disks, but, again as others have pointed out (in one of the DVD threads), the selection is pretty poor and the prices can be quite high (even by UK standards, but usually with imported disks).
You're right of course, not all DVD9s are DVD5s, and as others have pointed out you can tell the difference visually (and often by just checking the size of the contents on a PC...or a Mac, but most people are unlikely to have a computer when they're on the street). I too have DVD5s with DTS soundtracks and also DVD5s with DVD9 stickers. I normally refuse to pay the extra and often get the 'DVD9' disk for the old DVD5 price. I have no idea why, except I smile a lot. I haven't checked the price differential between the blank media, but I expect over time it will become minimal.
It's also a bit annoying being charged an extra 60B for a soundtrack that was available on the DVD5 version of a movie that's only 90 minutes long with no extras.
The thing that is a bit puzzling is that the selling price differential seems to have lagged behind the introduction of DVD9s and more or less coincided with the dissapearance of many of the street vendors on Si Lom. Knowing a little about how these things work, I suspect that the increase in tea money sought by the MIB may have something to with it.
I hope I avoided upsetting anyone with this post...I couldn't find a racial or national slur anywhere, but who knows?
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Posted on: 2:03 am on Oct. 23, 2004
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DrLove
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So, you agree size -> capacity -> quality?
I know that you can tell by sight (Hzink said that in a previous thread) but the question was: Can you (MarkC) do that?
As the owner of a decent 5 channel home cinema (Yamaha) I never buy fake DVDs (except for music / concert DVDs). I guess for the price of renting (THB 30) I have to see the same movie around 3 or 4 times to get maximum pleasure out of my 100-120 baht. (BTW The current prize is THB 100 for DVD5 in Pratunam Center).
I browsed there through a bunch of music DVDs all with the DVD9 sticker and the guy told me honestly that these were ordinary DVD5s (for the right price) but that the ones with a golden sticker were real DVD9s. I bought a DVD9 (Rolling Stones Four Licks) and by the amount of content, picture and sound quality I could only imagine that it was a real DVD9.
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Posted on: 2:31 am on Oct. 23, 2004
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MarkC
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Quote: from DrLove on 2:46 pm on Oct. 23, 2004
So, you agree size -> capacity -> quality?
I know that you can tell by sight (Hzink said that in a previous thread) but the question was: Can you (MarkC) do that?
As the owner of a decent 5 channel home cinema (Yamaha) I never buy fake DVDs (except for music / concert DVDs). I guess for the price of renting (THB 30) I have to see the same movie around 3 or 4 times to get maximum pleasure out of my 100-120 baht. (BTW The current prize is THB 100 for DVD5 in Pratunam Center).
I browsed there through a bunch of music DVDs all with the DVD9 sticker and the guy told me honestly that these were ordinary DVD5s (for the right price) but that the ones with a golden sticker were real DVD9s. I bought a DVD9 (Rolling Stones Four Licks) and by the amount of content, picture and sound quality I could only imagine that it was a real DVD9.
'So, you agree size -> capacity -> quality?'
To a certain degree, but as I'm sure you know that's not the whole story. If you're talking about a 90min film then the quality isn't going to be any better on a DVD9 than a DVD5 (all things being equal). The point is they've been selling DVDs with the sticker or label indicating DVD9 for some time and the price has only recently changed. Examining some of my DVDs, I've got DVD5s without DTS claiming to be DVD9s with DTS, DVD5s with DTS, and every combination imaginable. And I've got a pile of real DVD9s (with DTS) that I've bought over the last few months for 100-120B. (I'm only listening in stereo in Thailand since my Meridian setup is still in Blighty.)
All I want is a knock-off DVD for 100-120B that's a copy of a master (not some dodgy hand-held rip-off) just like I used to be able to buy in Bangkok and in Sarf London (for not much more).
Can I tell the difference between a DVD5 and a DVD9 reliably by sight? No, I don't think I can. I think the point is they're only upping the price now to deal with the recent clamp down (extra tea money). I still haven't checked the price difference for the blank media, but dual-layer burners are so cheap I'm sure that's not the cause of the price hike.
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Posted on: 12:11 pm on Oct. 25, 2004
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Quote: from DrLove on 1:25 am on Oct. 23, 2004
(BTW The current prize is THB 100 for DVD5 in Pratunam Center).
The selecton in the ground level of Pratunam center is outstanding, 100 baht each, ask for 1 free if you buy 9. I have never had a bad disk here (knock on wood).
Where is Pratunam Center? It is labeled #41 on this map, 5-10 mins walk from Chit Lom BTS:
http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/MassTransit/crucible.shtml
Walk in the entrance from Petchburi Rd (maybe 100 meters from Ratchaprarop Rd) and just walk straight, you will see a bunch of DVD vendors with tables set up. Ask them for the plastic cases before you give them money, and they will usually give you those too.
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Posted on: 9:53 am on Nov. 26, 2004
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hzink
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Quote: from MarkC on 12:05 am on Oct. 26, 2004
but dual-layer burners are so cheap I'm sure that's not the cause of the price hike.
The drives are cheap (under $100) but the media is not - cheapest media available right now that's Double-Layer is $8 (US) a pop.
They do not 'burn' these when making double-layer DVD9s, but rather they are being mnaufactured like the real thing - pressed layers, which are sandwiched together, and glued.
Yes, commercial DVDs are not burnt, but rather pressed from a master - which is why it's easy to make a ton of them in a relatively short time. The bootleg DVDs you purchased are for the most part NOT burnt in some guy's garage, but rather manufactured in offshore facilities (usually China or Malaysia, which are the ones with dual-layer capacity, but quite often on ships anchored in international waters). It's a big business.
Harry
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Posted on: 2:13 pm on Nov. 26, 2004
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