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casey
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Well Ballsburstin it sounds like you have the realistic type of relationship that I may have one day. Best wishes to you. I have no issue with sponserships and helping someone but it's important, at least to me, that I get what I think is being paid for. My comments were made because I believe that some of the bros on this channel are living in a world of make believe. I actually sponser a girl (that I never had a sexual relationship with) who returned home (up north) and went to work for me as a student. I pay her books and tuition (she sends me copies of the bills) and the wage the BAR paid her + 500 baht per month (the extra 500 was my idea because I thought she was cutting it to close). The bar wage was real cheap. I have also confirmed with the school that she is enrolled and she sends me progress reports. This young lady was motivated to return to school and was willing to dump the potential lucrative job of BG to do it. Just needed enough to keep her family in food and a roof while she goes to school. Hope it all continues to work out. If it doesn't I'll be smarter and if it does hopefully she'll be smarter and able to break a cycle. Now that I've bared my soul I feel like one of the exposed closet evangelists I was talking about on another thread. Cheers!
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:49 am on July 7, 2002
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casey
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I know someone will ask what did she tell you her bar wage was. She was getting 3,500 baht per month. She now gets 4,000 baht plus tuition. It's cheaper up north so if you want to sponser hang out with a northern girl.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 1:57 am on July 7, 2002
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Ballsburstin
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Casey, T.P.I.
Thanks for the feedback. My TG's family has a medium sized rice farm up north, and like all farms there, not every year is profitable. I think the only reason we have a relationship is because her family disapproves of her working in the bar scene, including her sisters, who kept telling her to go home and work on the farm. She opted to do the bar scene in BKK because she wanted a better life for her son and because she wanted to help her younger brother get through college. In fact, at one point her dad told her not to send money home, because "it was of no use if she wasn't there to benefit from it." Her dad actually has 12 years of education, so he puts value in education and hard work, a good role model. I think she really wants to break the cycle of life on the farm, and it sounds like that desire is shared by her siblings. She told me that she made some bad choices with her former husband, and now realizes she has a responsibility to her son and family that requires some kind of planning.
Certainly the bar scene presented her with the first step, but she wasn't quite sure how to handle the next step. So our relationship is giving her a view of how the rest of the world conducts business and makes money, unlike the cycle of poverty in northern Thailand.
I agree with you Casey, many people get into sponsorship with the wrong set of expectations, so they are doomed to repeat the same old sad stories. A friend of mine, and fellow traveler through SE Asia, says of these kinds of relationships: "It is what it is." It's a big mistake to interpret their view of things from a Western perspective, because the motivations for the way they think and act are quite different. I find "sanuk" happens when you embrace the differences. For example: my TG blew off another earlier sponsor, who had her living in his apartment, all bills paid, etc., and who told her to ask him for money whenever she needed anything. Since she is good with budgeting, she never asked him for money beyond the allowance to buy food, do the household chores, etc. She had, she thought, become the happy homemaker she never got to be with her first husband. When she finally did one day ask him for cash for some additional household expenses, he became very suspicious of her motives. So she left him and went back to the bar scene, because she felt it was better than living with someone who questioned her integrity. At the time I met her, one of her customers was all set to take her and her son to America, marry her, and give her every material thing she could ever want. But she blew him off when she met me because she didn't love him. Funny thing is, I've never promised her anything like this, and have always "cried" about how poor I am (she never saw me wearing anything better than a cheap digital watch in BKK) and how expensive everthing is in America. I think this goes back to the role model her parents gave her growing up.
You are right about one thing, the northern girls do have integrity, if you catch them before they become too jaded by the BKK scene. And also, each one of these ladies is an individual who at one point had certain dreams about their future that didn't necessarily include becoming a bar girl. In that regard, my TG really never left the north. But, I could see that if she stayed in the bar scene much longer, she wouldn't be able to tell the difference between LT and sponsorship. So that's when I suggested she leave the bar scene. Of course, only time will tell. But I've had broken hearts before, and this one won't kill me if it doesn't work out. On the other hand, I always appreciate Thai Private Eye's reality check, and would probably ask him to do a little verification for me if we decided to get more serious about our relationship. But first things first -- I'll wait to see her finish school, then worry about anything beyond that.
In the meantime, of course, there are many days of relaxation and many nights of ST under the silver moon of LOS.
Cheers,
- Balls.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:05 am on July 7, 2002
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oldhand
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Very touching problem is that every short time experience
has the potential to become a new love and then you will
blow out the current love of your life, she will go back
to the bar scene and put it down to experience sad but true.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 6:23 am on July 7, 2002
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Ballsburstin
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Oldhand,
Very true, a risk for sure, and an action that would only serve to reinforce the view many of the TG's have about farangs.
An interesting flipside of the coin is this: It became apparent to me that while in the bar scene, her LTs could easily turn into real boyfriend/relationships, and it is something she was looking for. She assumed ST's were just for fun, and that she would be forgotten by ST customers as soon as they walked out the door (which isn't really true, as the tales on this forum indicate). She assumed LTs were more personal, and were done out of a desire for someone to really be with her. So it was time to fish or cut bait -- the clock was ticking, and before she became jaded or otherwise disappeared, I decided it was time (during a several week stay with her in southern Thailand) to talk about what we really wanted from each other. I guess we surprised each other a bit, that fateful day.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:28 pm on July 7, 2002
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thaiprivateeye
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- agreed, after what many of the bar girls have been thru, i.e. let down by the "farang" a number of times, you can't blame them for getting what they can when they can, after a while, certainly with a BG, you need to catch her relatively fresh... mind you, they all say they have only been there 3 weeks ! Also have to agree the North-east, or I-sarn girls, do seem to be the better hearted, I think they are the genuine Thais, the Northern, Chiang-mai / Chiang-Rai ones, often extremely pretty, but most have the Thai-chinese, money orientated trait.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:14 am on July 8, 2002
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Dave
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Bros.....
Wow. Numbers really are all over the wall here.
Last week I decided to spend a few days R&R in Pattaya.
I met a girl and decided to spend some time with her. Actually it turned into 5 days. In between the fun times we did talk about some more serious matters.
She earned a typical monthy amount of 10000 to 12000 baht. This was dependant on her meeting her monthly quota on lady drinks, bar fines etc. in her job as a bar hostess. Previously she did earn more in an MP but she did not ever really like the endless succession( her words) of guys just coming in for sex. She was getting nothing other than money out of the deal.
So if you wanted to sponsor this girl the figure is easy to work out.
She was great fun so that is why I decided to stay with her ( which is pretty unusual for me) We did the usual holiday things, beach every day, wind surfing, paragliding etc. etc. plus bowling, go carts and more. I am pretty sure she was having as much fun as me.
So what did it cost? Well I'm not really sure beyond paying her 500 baht per day bar fine. She never actually asked for any money directly but she went crazey when I mentioned shopping. It was much more a case of paying attention to her and making sure I paid for what she really wanted rather than just giving her cash. I did give her the occassional 1000 baht note so that she could impulse buy as most Thai girls love to do.
At my last day with her we called at her appartment to get a change of clothes. She mentioned that her TV had died when I asked her to switch on, so my final payment to her was a new TV. She went wild and we spent the rest of my last day in bed ( not watching the new TV)
It wa a great time and a pleasant change from the MP and bar routine.
Dave
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:00 pm on July 8, 2002
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bkkz
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Dave,
How big was the TV? And how much was it? 
BK
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:02 pm on July 8, 2002
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Dave
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Hi BK
not sure of the relevence but the TV was 20", and cost about 6000 baht. The whole point in mentioning it was that my few days with this girl were very different from the more usual MP/Gogo scene.
When my ATM and CC charges come home, I will try and calculate the cost of the 5 day experience, but I think it will work out as pretty good value.
Dave
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:43 pm on July 9, 2002
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