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BigDUSA
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MX31,
Has bitch slapped alot of people in the face, myself included. It's the end of the day here in Philly. Only 17 hours until the Eagles smoke some Bucs and I'm thinking a fool and his money is soon parted and the last thing a fool wants to learn is how some Thai women with a 3rd or 4th grade education if that is playing this well educated but naive guy out of his hard earned money. Years ago in Saigon BG would give me checks their boyfriend back in the US would send them and they would pay me 25% to cash them. I had 6 girls month in and month out would bring me checks. All the girls continued to work bar. FWIW, there are lonely guys all over the world who can't get women in their home country come to LOS, think they "fall in love" are played (willingly) the fool. MX31 morals speak for itself, but the message is clear,harsh and sad for MX31 and the sponser.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:44 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
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seubeu
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Well, MX seems to at least be a more interesting troll than the other one currently infesting the boards. ÝI wonder how much he'll stick around. ÝI'd like to meet him at a RT sometime.
BigD, "Eagles smoke the Bucs"? ÝNot again! ÝAt least I hope the hell not! ÝI'll be watching in about 15 hours, can't wait for the rematch. ÝYour boys have our number, but want to wager a brew on it, straight up?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 10:50 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
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MrJoe
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I'll agree with you there seubeu; MUCH more interesting. Then again, that's not hard. 
(BTW Am I right in thinking the game'll start around 6AM over here?)
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:59 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
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seubeu
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Game times are 3 pm (Bucs at Eagles) and 6:30 pm (Titans at Raiders), EST, so just change pm to am for LOS right now.
One thing I always liked about Thailand was the easy calculation of time difference.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:01 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
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MX31
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As I said...*if* I wrote a plain post stating the obvious, no one would haved read it twice or gave it a speck of attention. But when one reads something that makes them think (at least enough to respond here anyway) or get their panties in a bunch, IMHO it makes more of an impact or at least something to learn from.
When one is slapped with reality, it should be more benficial than just some "you can't trust all Thai girls" statement. We all know that already (*generalization alert*... see my last post for justification).
If this didn't need to be done, then there would not be:
1) guys on this board asking sponsorship questions,
2) there would be no need for private detective agencies here who investigate BGs for Western clients/boyfriends, and
3) this exact forum would not exist.
But it does, and guys want to know at least more than one side to this story.
Here is a typical example. Just ran into a girl last Friday night...on "sponsorship" (40,000 baht a month) from her "boyfriend" afar. She was happy because she boasted "I just have man....S/T, only 20 minutes.....3,000 baht!" It was about 10pm and she already knocked one out and was all set to party for the night. She gets maybe one customer a week at her choosing and lives off of that. The sponsors money goes who knows where (I am sure you guys can fill in that blank).
I believe (Opinion alert) that this is more the rule than the exception. I am NOT using one example to support or represent the entire group of BGs, just as an example.
Being on sponsorship just allows the girl to be picky about who she has sex with with no pressure to pay the bills pressing her. It rarely takes them out of the bar scene/sex scene.
I tell friends who visit this wonderful country to forget 90% of the way you think about life when you come here, because it is like a different planet. Neither good nor bad, just different. The girls and sex/relationships fall under this as well (Another damn opinion alert!)
It saddens me that guys here get insulted by these words I write, but I would also hope it adds another protective layer to one's skin regarding these girls. Hell, Stickman wrote a lot of negative things about BGs here and I just thought he was a guy who saw it like it was, not like how others wanted him to see it.
"Halfway between optimism and pessimism lies reality" which is where I like to hang out at. I cannot apologize for how ugly it may be sometimes. If a BG took you for a ride, get pissed at her, I did not take your money, she did.
Thanks for all your replies....it has been informative. Oh, and to the guy who commented on my morality...just like I said before, I would pay big money to access your crystal ball as well. No one who makes these claims has been able to produce their psychic method yet...damn! Or is your computer talking to you? Did you forget your Risperdol? (If you are actually taking Risp. I apologize in advance...if you are taking Haldol, please titrate to Risp.).
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 12:05 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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seubeu
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Quote: from MX31 on 1:05 pm on Jan. 19, 2003
As I said...*if* I wrote a plain post stating the obvious, no one would haved read it twice or gave it a speck of attention. ÝBut when one reads something that makes them think (at least enough to respond here anyway) or get their panties in a bunch...
MX, here's where I take exception to what you've said, and maybe this, as much as anything, is what caused the raised hackles of some others. ÝIME so far, a nice, rational post (not dissimilar from the last one you made) would have drawn plenty of attention. ÝGetting people po'ed only served to distract from your central thesis. ÝSure, you draw more gawkers by bloodying a nose or two, but civil discourse will get people to accept your postion as rational. ÝAnd as there are over 2000 registered users here, but only around 50-100 active posters (or so it seems), a lot of people might read something helpful if only a few respond.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:38 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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MrJoe
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I wasn't really going to respond any further -- because I know I've already gonbe on too much -- but I want to lend my support to seubeu because I think he has put his finger right on it.
In the last post I agreed with MUCH of what MX said --even though he didn't address some of the points that I or others have taken issue with and I think spent a good deal of the post rationalizing and justifying (not altogether successfully) some of his...excesses. But again (for the 3rd? time) I point to what seubeu explained very well. It's the way MX expressed himself that I and others objected to.
And I must say that suggesting (more than once) that those who don't like the message can't actually be disagreeing based on any factual reason but rather they object because they are misplacing thier anger -- is the weakest kind of defensive argument (the old "the truth hurts" gambit). That's an easy one-- just insist that anyone disagreeing is doing so because they are defensive. I can't speak for anyone else but I have enough integrity and intellectual discpline to respond based on facts and honest opinion and/or principles. And besides; why would "the truth hurt" me? I'm no sponsor and I have nothing emotionally invested in the idea that a relationship -- of whatever type -- with a bargirl can be successful.
As for the morality thing, I won't speak for the person who made those comments because as someone who is equally guilty (in the past) it would be hypocritical of me to do so but I think it's clear what the issue is (or at least some of it). Colluding with someone to deceive or benefitting from that deception might be said to be immoral.
Sorry for all the commentary from me people.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:56 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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haam sup
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One of the things that drives these threads to the relatively large volumes they occupy, is all the quibbling about 'the way it's being said'.
It's so easy to sit behind the keyboard and let fly, without regard to manners or other norms that usually make communication pleasant, or at least possible.
On the other hand, there seems to be a tendency for the less honest among us to use the heat to obscure the light, i.e., argue vehemently based on dislike of the messenger, and ignore the point being discussed.
I don't exempt myself from either of these behaviors; if anything, I am probably more consistently provocative than many other posters, and I counterpunch, too.
All that being said, ÝI believe that one of the biggest problems we face in discussing the type of issue that MX raises, is that we bring our Western sensibilities along, and fail to consider that we are NOT in that world, when we are in Thailand.
The idea that BGs 'cheat and lie and steal' is based on our own ideas of fair play and nobility. ÝI am NOT an apologist for all BGs, or for the many dishonest (by MY standards) characters I have encountered in Thailand. ÝBut without the NEED to believe in the fantasy that sets us up for such treatment, it wouldn't exist.
BGs simply fill a need. ÝToo often the need is to suspend disbelief about who we, as men who go to Thailand, are. ÝOften, we are socially inept. ÝFrequently, we are past our prime physically, and may have never reached our prime financially. ÝBGs help us forget - for a year, or a week, or 30 minutes - all those shortcomings. ÝThe wiser among us can play the game without too much self-deception, but there is a continuum from the dope who falls in love with the first BG he barfines, and sends her 40,000/month, believing she will quit the bar and wait in Issan for his return, to the 'player' who is careful to keep it 'impersonal' and safe, and needs to remain in control. ÝIMO, sanity lies somewhere in the middle. ÝEither extreme points to a certain misery.
Like it or not, we stepped into THEIR world, not the other way around. ÝI see tourists whining about the lack of service, the dirt, the inefficiency. ÝBut it's all part of the cost of being there. ÝYep, food, housing and trinkets are all cheap, but nothing is free. ÝAnd whining about it will get you ignored, and not much else.
In the end, it takes an ability to be open to a different culture, and a different way of doing things, if you don't want to lose your mind in Thailand. ÝWhy should it be different with Thai women?
I share MXs incredulousness about guys who 'fall in love' with BGs and send money, yet I have done it myself. ÝAm I bitter? ÝNot a bit, because I know that I NEEDED to get through it. ÝI don't need to hate or abuse even the worst of the connivers, because I know they can only hurt me if I let them. ÝLet them tell me I am a 'hansum man' and that they 'lub me too mutt'. ÝIt makes for pleasant flirting. ÝWhen I get home to the mirror, do I see Brad Pitt? ÝOf course not. ÝAnd do I need to 'outwit' them to feel smarter. ÝNot really.
I actually dispute that BGs are the 'master manipulators' that many of us claim. ÝThey are merely willing assistants in self-deception, often pleasant, and sometimes VERY well-paid at that.
I have seen them called whores, thieves and sluts by a poster, early in this thread. ÝI really hate that kind of characterization. ÝIt's so clearly about the poster, and has so little to do with any real woman. ÝThey're ugly words, and while I'm aware that thieves exist, what BGs do for a living can hardly be described as thievery.
More like cherry picking, from willing trees.
haam sup
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:59 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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MrJoe
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Wow!
Now THAT was an exxxcellent post IMO.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:29 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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Skip
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WOW! (sorry MrJoe, had to second that)
IMO a perfect summation!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:42 am on Jan. 19, 2003
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