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Groundpounder
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Many posts on this forum mention freebies - that is, not having to pay anything at the end of an ST or LT session. In most cases, the statement or assumption is made that it was the writer's personality, technique or whatever that removed the need for monetary compensation.
While in many instances this may be true (especially for long-term trysts), I really wonder if this is universally so, and whether or not on the other side of the equation there was a disappointed lady.
What has led me to this question is my own modus operandi. Since working in LOS for two years in the mid-80's, I have come back repeatedly and indulged myself in its beautiful women on countless occasions. Looking back on my experiences, it is clear that in a full 80 to 90 percent of the cases, no price for the services on offer was ever discussed before the barfine was paid, and the chosen lovely taken back to my hotel. This was by choice, because I have an intense dislike of haggling over such things, and would much rather pay the going rate straight off, than haggle endlessly for a discount. (We're generally talking LT with ladies from go-go bars and beer bars.)
In the morning, my procedure is always to slip some bank notes (usually the going rate) into the lady's purse while she is showering. In some cases the lady will have a quick peek into her purse before she leaves to check that some form of payment has been made, but it's not at all unusual for her to pick up her purse, give a kiss, and be out of the door without any further checks. Thus it has always surprised me that most posts talk about a negotiation process over the price before anything happens.
However, reading about freebies on the forum, it occurred to me that I could conceivably have been offered countless freebies without recognizing it. I should add that I'm average in looks, though I always have maintained myself in reasonable shape (at 50 most people regardless of race pick me as being in my late 30's). Furthermore, I speak some Thai, usually dress neatly, and am always humorous, polite and respectful to the ladies - but really no different to hundreds of other farangs. So I'm under no illusion that there is anything outstanding about me that justifies a freebie.
Having reached that conclusion, it follows that my modus operandi must have been welcome to the many ladies in question, and that perhaps they dislike bartering over services as much as I do. It also follows, therefore, that some brothers who may have assumed that they were getting a freebie actually weren't, and that the girl was too shy (or intimidated) to raise the issue of compensation before she left.
Am I on the right track here, or have I been missing out on countless of freebies?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:54 am on June 13, 2002
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ABC
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Groundpounder:
I don't think anything is for free!! ha ha ha!!
But with that said, I must agree with you. I don't think you are missing anything. Okay. Maybe you could've gotten away with a freebie here and there, but I think you paying for it all the time was the right thing. Especially since we all know that this is their job. Eventhough the females might love/like us and want to spend time with us, love/like does not pay the bills. I always give the female money even when she says no. I tell her that it's not payment for her services, but a gift. Some how it seems to make them feel better. Even when the female sees me outside the business, as in takes a day off, I will either still give her some money at the end of the evening or take her on a shopping spree, which ends up costing more then what I would've paid her!! ha ha ha!!
I also do not haggle over the amount, unless it is unreasonable like 8,000 for a night. Anyways, just my opinion. If it's the going rate then I'm cool with that. But, I mostly take females out either from the MP or G-clubs. There is not much room for negotiations since the prices are pretty set.
Have a good one.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 12:47 pm on June 13, 2002
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casey
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I think you may have missed some freebies. During my trip on two occassions I took girls home and paid them the going rate. They subsequently called and ask to come back for another round. In both cases I explained that I was running low on money as I was about to leave and return home. In both cases they said they did not want money, showed up and did the deed. In neither case did the subject of money even come up nor did going out to dinner, shopping etc. While I don't try to get anything for free I also do not pay if I have made it clear that I am unwilling or unable to pay and they show up anyway. I am still getting periodic emails from both of them so I must not have pissed them off. Maybe they just like to get laid for fun once in awhile also.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:19 am on June 14, 2002
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abe snake
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There are no freebies. Sure those girls are still emailing you. They are just thinking long term. Just check out any Internet cafe near a night life area and see the girls writing the same emails to 5-10 different guys. If you think they aren't out for your money you are naive. You guys that think you are such studs that these bar girls just want you for your personality are seriously deluding yourselves. You can win for a while in Vegas too, but ultimately those casinos will get what they want - your money.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:22 am on June 14, 2002
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ABC
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abe snake:
Nicely stated. The house always win and we are playing against a stacked deck, meaning the ladies hold all the cards!!!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:26 am on June 14, 2002
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thaiprivateeye
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Like "groundpounder' - I never negotiate before, and red card those who want to, - and also, just leave a donation near their bag/clothes - sure many times could have got a freebie, but whats 1000 -15000bt - plus I find it pays for the future, the girl concerned will either always go with you again if you want, or more importantly, not "Bad Mouth" you to her mates, or say anything untoward if at some stage you pick on one of her friends instead of her.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:51 am on June 14, 2002
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Ballsburstin
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Was amused by abe snake's comments about "girls writing the same emails to 5-10 different guys" so I wanted to weigh in on this.
Have been with a very fine Thai lady for a while now, who left the bar scene not long after we met. And yes, I've seen those cookie-cutter e-mails she sent to her customers (me included, especially the early ones). She would write 'em in Thai and then a scribe at the local I-cafe would transcribe 'em into English with stock phrases she didn't necessarily specify. So there are a lot of "very special" farangs getting the same e-mails. Hey, business is business 
But I'm under no illusion: these ladies are trying to support themselves and are often too polite to ask for the $$$ in the morning, especially if price was not discussed the night before. As one Thai lady friend once told me, "it is not the good manner" to ask. The cultural differences and expectations are vast, even when you are having what you think is a relationship, so tossing a few baht to help the cause is well appreciated by them. I was doing LT with one lady (two weeks) in Krabi. She never asked for a dime, but I gave her small amounts of spending money here and there during that vacation (even bought her a beautiful outfit for a few hundred baht), and then gave her a reasonable sum at the end. I could see the look of relief on her face each time I did this, as she has a son up north to support.
BTW, you might want to check out "Private Dancer", a novel by Stephen Leather. This isn't yet published, but is available for free download by the author in .pdf format. A great read, with more truth than fiction. I think all of the bro's here would enjoy it, and you might learn a few new things about the dynamic we're talking about in this thread.
That said, I do know a good friend who is now spending a lot of time with a well educated free-lancer from Patpong. They may actually work as a couple (time will tell), but he is also well aware of the financial expectations these Thai ladies have. Not so different than here in the U.S. These ladies want a comfortable lifestyle. Main difference is attitude -- you just get treated so much better by the Thai ladies.
Anyway, enjoy bro's -- freebies and all!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:31 pm on June 14, 2002
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Groundpounder
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Good post, Ballsburstin. Ý
It supports my own impression that what's interpreted by the farang as "Jeez, didn't have to pay a cent, I must have been fantastic" is actually, as you say, "it is not the good manner" to ask for payment.
And I don't really buy the crafty "loss leader" marketing strategy ("if I give him a freebie now, I'll get a bigger payoff later") ÝCertainly not on first meeting anyway.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:39 pm on June 14, 2002
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BigDUSA
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There is no free lunch as far as woman and sex. I never discuss a fee in advance. I always give the girl 1000 for L/T. Never a problem and the girls so far have always come back for round two. When I was in Vietnam, 30 years ago I always paid the girl as I wanted to keep this a "business deal". Today, I do the same in Thailand as I don't plan on taking someone home with me.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:04 pm on June 14, 2002
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casey
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abe snake, Hell I know that ultimately they are out for money and I do not think I am so studly at my age that they throw all thoughts of money to the wind just to have me. Maybe they think of it as a long term investment but why do a night for free that you can't make up the next day?
when I go back, and I will go back, if I can get together with the two I will do so and I will pay them more than the going rate (keeping in mind the "freebie"). I do not agree that the girls hold all the cards....to many ladies to choose from and at least when I was there they outnumbered the guys about 3-1. To a simple guy like me this means that sex is not a great bargaining card as it is in the US.
33 years ago in vietnam I treated the girls the same as BigDUSA except for one who never asked or apparently wanted anything from me. I was in a position to take her to the US and actually ask her if she wanted to come home with me......she declined saying that she would miss her country to much. to this day I wonder why she spent her time with me basically for free. Ah Asia how much there is to understand
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:34 am on June 15, 2002
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