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cmore
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OH MAN! Brother Chompoo has dusted off his lightsabre and rejoined the battle against the empire. We're going to need a bigger boat  . Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
Welcome back bro. Hopefully I don't speak alone when I say, you have been missed. Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
2 quotes from sister X: Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
1. < I take the view that ultimately I am responsible for MY sexual well-being and my sexual partners are responsible for their well-being. ÝBarring something like the condom breaking, then it doesn't really matter to me if my partner had unprotected sex previously or not. Ý I automatically assume they did. > Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
2. Ý< What I really don't agree with (although you didn't say this) is the notion that many other people hold I have to be responsible for someone elses health. ÝNope, I look after me and it's up to my partenrs to lookafter themselves. > Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
After reading these two quotes I have now entered into the realm of applied theories and quantum physics and am in serious need of a very large bottle of aspirin. Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
If X were a man then there'd be no problem, but since we all know that sister X is a delicate flower of womanhood  then how is it possible for her ( Or any woman ) to protect herself without at the same time protecting everyone she chooses to have sex with. Ý Ý
As far as I am aware the safest, most effective way to prevent the spread of STD's is by using a condom so in order for X to be responsible for her own protection she needs to insist that each of her partners wear a condom, but by insisting that they wear a condom isn't she not only taking responsibility for protecting herself from her partner and all of his past partners and at the same time by insisting that he wear a condom isn't she ( Even if unintentional ) responsible for protecting him from her and all her past partners? Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
Okay chew on that one for awhile as I need to go to the store for another bottle of aspirin  . Peace Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý Ý
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:55 pm on Aug. 12, 2003
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bound4bangkok
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hello all
the safest way to protect yourself from STDs is to not have sex at all prevents pregnacy too
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 10:37 pm on Aug. 12, 2003
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cmore
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I stand corrected  . Peace
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:53 pm on Aug. 12, 2003
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Arcadius
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Very good to see you back, Chompoo - cmore is certainly not alone in saying that you've been missed.
As often, I think X brings us back to reality:
... it would also be a safer world if everybody adhered to the speed limits all of the time - safer, yes, but not realistic. Ý
Quite. Like most people, I don't adhere to the speed limits all the time. I can't really justify this, it's just the way it is - time pressures, occasional bursts of reckless abandon, blah blah. So far, I've been lucky and not killed either myself or anyone else. Maybe I'd have been less lucky if I never adhered to the speed limits, but I usually do - an ordinarily consciencious but far-from-perfect citizen.
I find it's the same with condom use in LOS. Ordinarily I wear one, no question. But there are times, when I haven't - when I've been with the same BG for a few days running, the GFE's in full swing, we've both had one or two too many, &c &c. I have no doubt this will happen again. Again, I don't really try to justify this. Doubtless it's a stupid risk to take; but it would be a lot more stupid never to wear a condom. Maybe many (if not most) people will recognise themselves here.
As for taking responsibility for the BG, I agree entirely with those who say this is HER business. So long as you aren't coercing or putting unfair pressure on her, she's quite capable of making these decisions for herself. I don't think 'education' or lack of schooling has anything to do with it. This is something the BGs DO know about - it is absolutely central to their daily job, and they're surrounded by people for whom it is also a major concern. Once again, it comes down to whether you're prepared to take BGs seriously as people or want to patronise them as glorified blow-up dolls with no brain. Ý Ý Ý
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:10 am on Aug. 13, 2003
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bound4bangkok
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hello all
Just make a condom thats better then barebacking and everyone will want to wear it. COME ON SCEINCE
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:28 am on Aug. 13, 2003
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dodgybloke
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As I've stated before, I have been offered bareback before without even requesting it.
Although these girls are not mentally impaired, I do believe that they have reasons for doing it.....MONEY!
One particular girl, who realised that I had become very fond of her wanted me not to wear a condom. I knew she was very intelligent (part of the attraction) but had enough sense to realise that she wanted me to fall hook, line and sinker for her so I would fall for the 'Look after her,' and 'I need you send me money darling' routine when I left.
Another girl (beautiful but not very bright) I regularly saw in BKK wanted me to bareback every time. I jokingly said to the mamasan in her club that I really liked her and want to take her home because she has my baby. The mamasan freaked, and shouted, 'You wear condom, You wear condom' Once the dust settled and I explained to her that I was joking, it was good to know that at least she had not lost touch with reality, unlike the girl.
My opinion is that most (not all) know the risks but are willing to take the risk in order to sqeeze more baht out of you. Whether it's in the form of a tip or so you'll come back to them in the future or whether they're going for the golden goose and want you to send them money while it's business as usual for them.
I also think some girls have just become complacent or lost a lot of their self-respect and think f_ck it why not!
Prostitution....It's all about money at the end of the day, it took me a while to get me head around that.
Very few can't be bought.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:28 pm on Aug. 13, 2003
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haam sup
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There's an element of fatalism, too, pervasive in Thai life, that makes the compulsive precaution-taking that most Westerners follow unimportant to Thais.
Belief in prayer, amulets, and animist tattoos, etc., supercedes concerns about fatal STDs, dangerous driving, and all manner of preventable calamities.
In my mind, this DOES call into question the 'I look out for me, you look out for you' approach that is appropriate in the west. ÝUnless you share the Thai fatalism...
I can accept others playing it by the Western book, but I couldn't live with myself if I knowingly put someone else at risk...even if the decision was theirs.
haam sup
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:42 pm on Aug. 13, 2003
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Chompoo
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One particular girl, who realised that I had become very fond of her wanted me not to wear a condom...
I'm not quite sure how you think these anecdotes are supporting your opinion, or if you are just going off on a tangent.
There are a lot of good reasons why you should wear a condom and there are a lot of good reasons why a bargirl should insist on it. That's not the issue at all.
My opinion is that most (not all) know the risks but are willing to take the risk in order to sqeeze more baht out of you.
So why are you trying to deny them the opportunity to make a few extra baht from guys who want this service? Also, I think characterizing it as "squeezing" is misleading. They may just be trying to provide more intimacy (the GFE thing) and a better sexual experience. No doubt some girls go too far (by trying to get pregnant or taking the GFE seriously), but that is a very dangerous game to play.
Prostitution....It's all about money at the end of the day, it took me a while to get me head around that.
Very few can't be bought.
I think you still haven't got it.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:09 pm on Aug. 13, 2003
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Chompoo
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I can accept others playing it by the Western book, but I couldn't live with myself if I knowingly put someone else at risk...even if the decision was theirs.
That's all anyone can and should do, yet every person must judge the risk and reward for themselves. Everything you do puts others at risk, so you have to ask yourself if it is worth it.
I once asked a girl in a pool bar for mango with sticky rice. Although they didn't have it, she offered to go get it for me. Which was fine, until I realized she was going to take a motorcycle taxi to go get it. She may make such a dangerous trip several times a day and I'm sure there are a lot of risks taken behind the scenes to make my life in Bangkok pleasant. But I wasn't willing to let her take this small risk, because it was an explicit act on my part which put her in danger (and I'd feel pretty bad if the 1 in 1,000 chance of an accident actually happened). However, this was in reality pure selfishness on my part, the girl was more than happy to go get it for me and assume the risk.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:28 pm on Aug. 13, 2003
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haam sup
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"(and I'd feel pretty bad if the 1 in 1,000 chance of an accident actually happened). However, this was in reality pure selfishness on my part, the girl was more than happy to go get it for me and assume the risk. "
Agree on the first part, not so sure if it's selfishness in the perjoritive sense, but maybe something less concrete, and more emotional...which is, after all, the part of all of us we have to take care of.
Ma and Pa Sup made a very strong case for avoiding causing inconvenience to others, often with a swift backhand...the question is how to balance the lesson vs. the example 
BTW, welcome back.
haam sup
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:06 pm on Aug. 13, 2003
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